–>Ravi Zacharias – The Existence of God (Full)

Ravi Zacharias who is considered to be Christianity’s top, most brilliant apologetics mind, speaks on the Existence of God

Make time and listen to this man who loves Christ and teaches and lectures in the Ivy League Universities and to leaders and dignitaries of foreign countries. He is a joy to listen to. More posts to follow.

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  1. Esko
    mart. 27, 2011 @ 05:37:40

    Ravi says the athiest has no hope. I hope war will no longer have to pass through my lips.

    Death by means of war is made okay through eteranal life in all religions that claim there is an after life.

    Without the idea of an after life, the value of human life on Earth grows exponentialy for the day of conception.

    My moral law is based upon what is socially accepted at this time in history.

    Today it is morally unacceptable to hit your child. Two hundred years ago if your child was acting out it wasn’t only morally acceptable to hit them, but it was expected of you. three hundred years ago it was morally acceptable to own slaves. Two hundred years ago women couldn’t be part of the church structure. Two hundred years ago an illagitamate child was not allowed in a church. At one time a woman could be put on trail as being a witch.

    MORALS ARE DECIDED BY MAN. If God was the moral giver, then why do morals change? Does god change his mind about what is right or wrong?

    The big bang is a theory, evolution is a theory, which means it is only an idea about what is, or isn’t. Christianity refuses to accept the possiblity that it is wrong. Earth at one time was the center of the universe. At one time the earth was encircled by concentric circles which housed things like angels, and hevean.

    Science doesn’t argue that it knows what is.

    I am Athiest, and I refuse to say any one theory is correct until it is proven. I know the earth is round, and that it is teh third planet from the sun. I know that heaven does not exist at the outer edge of earth. These are things that have been proven by science, but at one time were denied by the church.

    The first split in the church was over a single word, which changed the meaning of a single sentence in christianity. While they can agree on entire volumes of books they can’t agree on a single word? Where is god when a single word is great enough to split the church and create thousands of years of war between his people?

    Ravi is all smoke and mirrors.

    • rodi
      mart. 27, 2011 @ 13:55:19

      Esko, thank you for stopping to comment on Ravi Zacharias on my blog. I hope you will have some time to listen to a few of Ravi’s other lectures. (Like search for ‘Jesus among other Gods’ it’s on the Apologetics page)
      Have you ever wondered why some hard core atheists, one day just gave in and believed in God? I can tell you all kinds of rational things, like the Big Bang is not a theory; it is widely accepted as fact by most scientists now(Time magazine reported that). The argument is over whether it was caused by an omnipotent God and Creator or it was random. Evolution however is complete theory that will probably be debunked as more discoveries are made that show it to be an impossible thing, now that we can X-ray fossils.

      But, back to my question. There are 2 reasons atheists change their mind.
      First, if they listen to reason and all their arguments fall apart and thus point to the possibility that there is a God, and when philosophical arguments are taken to their logical conclusion, then an honest atheist will admit that there is a high possibility that there is a God.
      Second, there are people who search and search for meaning to their lives (in this life only) and come up very empty handed, and when they realize that God is real and they encounter His presence for the first time in a very real way, they accept Him.
      Please listen to the Keith Green documentary I just posted and see a guy who lived as if this earthly life is all there is. He went through so many religions, and lastly he began reading that ‘Jesus’ guy, that even Buddha said was a good guy. Guess what? He gave up everything he thought was pleasure in this earthly life, to serve this Jesus who lived 2000 years ago. Do you wonder how a man who lived 2000 years ago can give fulfillment to someone 20 centuries later? It must be a miraculous, out of this world, doesn’t make sense to you- kind of thing.
      This is the Jesus I love and serve. Selfishly, He did so much for me that I never deserved, that my loving Him back doesn’t say much of anything about myself, but it says everything about Jesus and God.
      Please continue to comment if you come across anything, I am not some pushy, in your face fanatical person. I just feel so in awe of my God and Jesus that I want everyone to know Him and about Him. Life is quite different when our hope is placed in having an eternal life with the Creator who made us.

    • May Sefin
      apr. 07, 2011 @ 16:46:12

      I’d just like to say that theres no such thing as any faith having no hope and that includes Atheism. Zacharias does not say that the atheist has no hope, because there is ALWAYS hope that one will find the truth and follow it. After all, the „truth will make you free.”

      As far as your other statements, things like war being justified in Christianity is not grounded or documented anywhere. Any one making a solid argument that can be considered has to point to the source of what he or she is challenging and then make their case based on its contents. The Bible, which I am an avid reader of, does not condone war and on the contrary stresses each believer to be a peacemaker and do any good that they have a chance to do. If you are told to „love your enemy” how does that possibly fit in with fighting a war? You cannot raise a weapon against your enemy because thats not the bible’s instruction when it comes to dealing with an enemy.

      Likewise, the earth being at the center or your other arguments are also not grounded in biblical text. If irresponsible church leaders over the years and today still promote false and heretic teaching and start wars and other types of injustice they are not in accordance with the core teachings of their religion, and they are not pleasing God as he says himself: „I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone ADDS anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.”

      Finally I just want to say that a „Christian” who does not practice what he preaches is not looked at in any better way by Jesus than an Atheist, so obviously, the Atheist does have all hope as he is a child of God.

      • rodi
        apr. 07, 2011 @ 17:18:05

        Thanks for your comment. You are right in some of what you say. However, in the end, my personal belief is that I am accountable to my God for what I do with the knowledge (from the Bible) and faith that I have in Him. Therefore, I will act accordingly. I can have head knowledge about the existence of God, yet live my entire life contradicting what God says. Right? Whether it is because I find a myriad of reasons to discount the validity of the Bible, or I just plain don’t want to do what it says because it’s too hard, or maybe I really want to believe that some parts are added by some monk somewhere along the way. I personally ‘choose’ what I want to believe. And so does everyone else.
        So, being Christian is not black and white and although Christ transforms our life radically if we put our trust in Him, even those of us that are committed Christians, will still stumble and sometimes fall because we are not infallible. Yet, if we believe that the word of God is infallible and we use it as a guide and a basis for our life and daily actions, and fellowship with God through prayer and His word, He will help us move on from the petty things (called sin) and into a mature relationship with Him.
        As far as judging others, David Robertson (Scottish Pastor) makes a really good point when folks try to point at bad Christians as an example of religion. He gives Scientist Dr. Josef Mengele (the Nazi butcher) as example and asks- Can you say science is bad because- just look at that scientist Mengele?
        A bad christian is no reflection on Christianity or Christ. They are a reflection on a fallen world and the need for a Savior.
        I did not deserve God’s love, but he loved me anyways. So my hope is that I can serve Him and those around me, but my ultimate hope is that I can one day be with Him. What an awesome hope that is! Look at all the songs and poetry and essays that have been written out of that kind of thankfulness. I wish you could know Him that way too.
        [A real Christian spends the rest of their life being thankful to God for a saving grace they never deserved, and could never earn, and they will act accordingly.]

  2. Esko
    mart. 27, 2011 @ 18:31:49

    Rodi,

    I was a flaming Christian before i went athiest. I used to go door to door, I devoted most of my time for years to the church and to god. I came to my conclusion based upon education. most Christians have no idea about the history of what they believe in. They don’t know about the major battles faught among Christians.

    I am not willing to say there absolutly is no God, but I am willing to say that if there is that God has no concern for Human beings. You can see it in how there are many religions.

    There was a war in Heaven before humans even existed. I Don’t want to spend eternity in a place that knows about WAR. I personally experienced war, and it is not the happy feeling you would want in a place you are spending eternity in. Good and evil are Human concepts, and determind by humans.

    If there is a God he can’t hear us, if he could there woudn’t have been crusades, or islamic extremist. If he could hear his people then there wouldn’t be a book of revelation which scares people into being christian, and Forces them to act in rash ways.

    • rodi
      mart. 27, 2011 @ 20:03:28

      May I ask you a question? When you went door to door, why did you do that? Because you just loved Jesus so much that you just knew you had to tell everyone about Him or because someone told you that by going door to door you are earning some kind of recompense or that you owed Him something?

      I know what Christ means in my life and when my friends and coworkers and acquaintances tell me that ‘Wow, you are such a nice, good person; I can’t believe the way you act with people even when they wrong you…” it is not because the atoms in my cells made me good, it is because I read about this guy named Jesus, who was a radical who loved people, even unto death and upon reading and believing in Him, I wish that all of my friends and even people I don’t know, would know Him and let Him change their hearts. I talk Christ because I love Him (and I am in terrific awe of Him).
      If you didn’t feel that way about Him, then I think that maybe you didn’t really know Him, maybe you just knew about
      Him.
      Everyone goes through doubts. I went through them when I hit high school and my biology teacher started talking evolution. I wondered if maybe my parents generation was not smart enough to have figured this out. However, even if evolution were true,( which it isn’t-as you know it is a scientific unprovable theory ) that still doesn’t disprove God’s existence.
      Biggest reason people want evolution to be true? Because deep down in their sinful nature, they feel some guilt, and if they can just prove it to be true (which they never will) then sinful people can live in their sins a little less guilt ridden.
      However, since we were made in the image of a true, righteous God that will never happen either. Very few people (read Hitler, etc) could ever really totally kill their conscience. We were made by God and for God and there is no true inner peace aside from that. Just ask all the rich people who can fulfill all their earthly fantasies and desires, how fulfilled they really are. That longing in our hearts (or spirituality if you want to call it that) will never be filled with anything other than the true God who sent His Son to redeem us from our sins.

  3. Esko
    mart. 27, 2011 @ 18:36:12

    • rodi
      mart. 27, 2011 @ 20:11:52

      Esko, I am thankful for this exchange with you, I had one daughter who went through a crisis of faith, she never lost her belief, but she was shaken by what her atheist professors were saying, until we delved into the Bible and saw that they had no basis for what they were saying. Today she is working on saving money to attend Bible College, and her faith is stronger than ever. Don’t think your journey is ended. Keep searching and if you are really seeking the truth, you will indeed find Christ. Just be open to truth and question your atheistic beliefs. And by the way, a true Christian is someone who believes the Bible-all of it. Otherwise they are just deluded wannabes. And you’re welcome here anytime 🙂
      My short answer to evil in your post is something a Pastor I admire once said-
      Albert Mohler – We cannot explain why God has allowed sin, but we understand that God’s glory is more perfectly demonstrated through the victory of Christ over sin. We cannot understand why God would allow sickness and suffering, but we must affirm that even these realities are rooted in sin and its cosmic effects.

      How does God exercise His rule? Does He order all events by decree, or does He allow some evil acts by His mere permission? This much we know–we cannot speak of God’s decree in a way that would imply Him to be the author of evil, and we cannot fall back to speak of His mere permission, as if this allows a denial of His sovereignty and active will.
      A venerable confession of faith states it rightly: “God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs, and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any way to be the author or approver of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.”

      God is God, and God is good. As Paul affirms for the church, God’s sovereignty is the ground of our hope, the assurance of God’s justice as the last word, and God’s loving rule in the very events of our lives: “And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, who are the called according to His purpose.” [Romans 8:28]

  4. Esko
    mart. 28, 2011 @ 11:12:48

    I received my degree from Chaminade University, A Catholic school, my teachers were not athiest.

    I am not having a crisis of faith, I have had a formal education, and come to a my own conclussion as to what I will beleive in.

    I beleive in Jesus Christ and what he did for man kind. I don’t beleive in what the church did with the message Jesus left behind. From the very begining the church took the word of Jesus and used it to manipulate the masses.
    If there was a God He would not send any being to spread such an important message and then turn around and use that message for the next 2000 years in a nagitive way.

    Church’s are corrupt without even knowing it. The book of Revelation does not belong in the bible it is a scare tactic.

    I have morals, and I have my way of believing, which does not include any form of a God, because in my opinion if there is a god, that god does not include me in its concerns.

    I served in the army and if you had seen some of the things I have seen, you would probably feel the same way. Some people latch on to God after seeing horrors and others turn away. I am convinced that if there was a God, that god wouldn’t allow inocent children to suffer like I have seen, or brutal mutilations worse than the passion could ever come close to. This world is full of horrid things. If you care about your family are you going sit by and watch them suffer? Are you goingt to just let them burn to death or are you going to try to end their suffering by putting a bullet in their head? Think about it.

    I have read the bible, and there is no need to quote it to me. It says things like when you become a christian life will be good, and then turn around and say when you become a christian life will be terrible. the book is full of contradiction, and you can pull any meaning out of the text you want.

    The davinci code is a great example of how the bible can be used in ways even the church hasn’t thought of.

    My bible is the Writen history, not excluding the christian bible, or any bible for that matter.

    When I was 14 I decided i wanted to be baptised. I joined a church got confirmed, and participated in the church for the next 7 years. No one told me to do it, I did it for myself. I went door to door because Ithought I had come across a wealth of ethics, and virtue. But as I continued my education I started to realize that there is much more out there about Christianity then the bible will tell you, and much of it is sad to say the least.

    Most of Christianity is based on pagan beleifs. the Virgin birth story was not unique to Jesus, It had allegedly happened many times throughout history. The great flood was accounted in many stories. The story of Gilgamesh is a great example of where many Christian stories evovled from. The idea of a saviour was not a new concept when juses came either. Jesus wasn’t the only person at that time that was supposedly performing miracles.

    I don’t have a problem with Christians being Christians, what I do have a problem with is when Christians start pointing their fingers at some person and say that’s the antichrist. Obama has been labled as the false prophet and the antichrist in the past few years. That is a terrible thing to say about someone, and when it is said it better be a person that deserves the title. But that’s just it. So far according to the church and many of its followers the antichrist has manifested himself hundreds of times, possibly even thousands throughout history. That mentality creates groups like Westboro baptist church, and televangelists. That mentality is terrible and it needs to stop.

    • rodi
      mart. 28, 2011 @ 11:55:14

      The Bible does not say that when you turn to God life will be good. Jesus said that whoever follows Him must take up their cross to follow Him. Life cannot be good when as a (true) Christian you recoil at the life taking of innocent children (through abortion) and yes, even war.
      I believe you can have morality without God, if you choose to do so. And I have respect for the fact that you carefully considered your choice to not believe in God. However, don’t you think you give all the weight to your atheistic professors that taught you (atheism is a religion too, it clings to everything that opposes God) and don’t you think they have a motive to smash Christian beliefs?
      Catholic schools employ secular atheist professors (I happen to have intimate knowledge of one myself-DePaul University). You are choosing to only read what naysayers (atheists) say and you come with preconceived ideas that – if God allows the death of so many innocents, therefore there must not be a God.

      But there are two types of evidence-
      Scientific Evidence, which requires the ability to recreate the exact condition. This makes it impossible to prove some things, such as history, scientifically. You can’t recreate World War II in order to prove it happened.

      Instead we rely on Legal-Historic Evidence, which consists of statements by eyewitnesses, evidence left behind, and analysis of circumstantial evidence to determine what happened.

      There is enough eye witness evidence to prove many things in the Bible-including the resurrection of Jesus, that most scholars (even atheist) agree that based on the Legal-historic evidence they use to scrutinize history, it is highly likely that the Resurrection account is valid and true. I am on my way out right now, so I need to keep it brief, however I will be writing on the resurrection in the next month (including what atheists object to). Until this century, Christians have not thought it worthy to engage in apologetics, because they believed in the sufficiency of the Bible. But, there are a few out there, like Ravi Zacharias, who love philosophy and engage in thoughtful discourse on Biblical subjects and he makes a lot of sense (even to non believers).
      And, I am appalled at what some ‘professing Christians’ say and do. But, Jesus had charity towards all alike. And he did not endorse ‘crusades’. The Jewish people wanted Him to overthrow the government because that is what they expected the Messiah to do. His mission however was to transform people to be children of God.
      Revelation can be a very scary book. One of the reasons the Bible is believed to be correct by philosophers, is the harmony between the different books and the prophetic quality of writings that were written about Jesus over a period of hundreds of years before He was born, yet it was right on target.
      I am sorry for the many disappointments you experienced; I hate war. But most of all. I am sorry for all the Christians that were a pointer away from the God they claim to be serving. There is a true God whom I can pray to every day and who transforms me every day and whom I will have eternal life with, therefore, with His help, I can squash my egotistical tendencies every day (it’s really hard sometimes 🙂 )and try to live a life that He expects, and I wish you could know Him too. I do read and recognize a very thoughtful insight in your writing, and I am thankful for this exchange. Hopefully my comments are not offensive to you, but of course my desire (just as it is with family that does not know God personally) is that you find peace in your heart. Knowing that you endured the wrath and savagery of war is heartbreaking.

  5. Esko
    mart. 28, 2011 @ 12:47:58

    I don’t like the title athiest because it is as you say, a very specific way to think..

    I am undecided about God Ihave my views on God if there is one but they all deny the Christian understanding of such a being.

    I have come to my own conclusions, no athiest christian muslim or the like have changed my mind. I alone have come to my decision. I am not willing to say that the Christian God is the end all be all. There are too many other religions out there.

    • rodi
      mart. 28, 2011 @ 15:45:31

      I can respect that, and I hope your journey helps you find peace. Like I said, you are welcome here any/all the time, with comments or insight. But, I hope you also listen to opposing viewpoints. You know full well that when you were in college you did not get any perspective from opposing viewpoints. It seems like you are doing this yourself, because you did check out Ravi Zacharias on my blog, so, like I said, thanks for engaging in dialogue and come back anytime.

  6. Esko
    mart. 28, 2011 @ 15:55:54

    I look forward to hearing your post about the reserection.

    I just want to say again. I don’t for an instant deny that Jesus existed, and even from an Atheist point of view, the legacy left behind by Jesus is nothing short of amazing, but I must also say, It is no more amazing than people like Siddhārtha Gautama, The prophet Muhammad ibn ‘Abdullāh, Nelson Mandela, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln and many more. These people along with Jesus have shaped the world as we know it.

    My opinion on the actual reserection? To look back right now and say yes Jesus was actually brought back to life, and then acended into heaven, is like saying that we knew what the 10 day weather forecast for the temple mount was. It is easy to look back and with some history behind it say yes that is exactly what happend.

    We are only begining to understand the events of our past.

    For instance, a recent revelation about Egyptian society was that they were not a population primarily of slaves, and another revelation was that even teh slave class had freedoms most societies before or since had experienced. There is also evidence that the Jew were there, and mostly under there own free will they worked for the Egyptian kings. Of course this is still speculation, but it is still interesting to think about, much like the story of Jesus Christ.

    • rodi
      mart. 28, 2011 @ 16:01:24

      Great, I will be glad to know you stop by here periodically and I will work on the Resurrection materials that I have previously read, to pull together a cogent post (that’s a lot of backtrack reading, which is why I’ve had it on the back burner for a few weeks).

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    dec. 12, 2011 @ 02:51:30

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