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  1. gabi Bogdan
    mai 07, 2011 @ 20:42:51

    I guess Paul the apostle did not get the memo that you are only suppose to talk about Jesus, ( not of what Jesus said)< for maybe he would have skip some of the chapters from Corinthians and Timothy. Francis Chan takes one paragraph out of the bible , where Paul writes specifically about food and days, and applies it to beer . Nice. I wonder what a 16 year old that heard him will do when he goes out with his friends and they all have a beer, or two , or three. Following his logic , we can get some pot once in a while, as long as we talk about Jesus. It shows you that no one is infallible . He should read the statistics on alcohol and how many families go down the drain and how many people die because of it( more than all the other drugs combined). And if we feel like some f bombs will serve the cause of Christ , drop them, no big deal, God understand.Nice Francis, very nice…

    • rodi
      mai 07, 2011 @ 21:17:12

      I was surprised about the drinking comment, b/c it impairs the mind regardless of how much you drink, yet, I have a feeling that most American preachers are very much in tune with him on that subject (the occasional drink). Didn’t see that coming and it is a letdown. As you know, many people do not read Spurgeon b/c of the pipe smoking.

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  3. evie
    feb. 25, 2013 @ 11:13:05

    I was schocked, I have listened to his teachings, esp. Luke-warm and Loving it and even put it on our Sunday Radio broadcast, called „The Narrow Road”! But now I can not promote this brother, he got decieved somewhere along the line, and we are all praying for his eyes to be open once again and admit he was wrong. This casual christianity is the very reason we are in trouble, so called freedom in Christ to do whatever we want as long as we put Jesus on it! Don’t use your freedom as a excuse for the flesh but use it to serve in this wiched generation that has goen astray. „Oh God bring us back to the cross, repentance, and eternal prospectives..Revive us again Oh God, Have Mercy on us!

    • rodi
      feb. 25, 2013 @ 11:19:57

      I could not believe it either or understand it. I still don’t, because much is expected of preachers (from God) in they way they lead their congregation.
      Amen to your last sentence: Revive us again Oh God, Have Mercy on us!

      • evie
        feb. 25, 2013 @ 12:05:18

        Thanks Gabi and Rodi for your comments, I have been looking high and low for the responce of Gods people after this message. Yours is the only one so far. Others cant believe me untill they hear it themselves, so I put it on my Face-book as a warning and for everyone to pray. I was thinking are we this goen? Drunken on the world and its pleasures, that it is now coming into the church, and the people are laughing in the back ground? 2Tim 4:3-4 smooth messages that tickle the ear! End times beware of those right among you will rise up speaking purverse things. And Matt 24:11 We are watchmen, its our duty to catch the false teachings and warn, for these will distroy fatih and testimony!

  4. Deanna
    sept. 10, 2013 @ 22:32:05

    When are we going to wake up and begin to live the life of a follower of Christ. We are to be different than the world. It’s getting harder and harder to tell the difference.

    • rodi
      sept. 10, 2013 @ 22:49:35

      remember what Jesus said in Matthew 24:13 – But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

      No matter what goes on around us, we should always be obeying God’s word, and heeding the Holy Spirit’s counsel to our conscience. Many people sear their consciences along the way… May God watch over us and keep us from following the desires of our flesh.

  5. Marius
    sept. 12, 2013 @ 14:42:44

    I haven’t really read any book or heard Francis Chan speak until now. But everything I heard about him was very positive. From what I can tell, he is all about Jesus and the truth of God’s word. There was some comments here about drunkeness. He cleary speaks against that and calls it a sin. Its one think to have a discussion about drinking alcohol , its another to talk about what the Bible says in regards to alcohol. It is very easy to caught up on the traditions that we were taught and not look at what God’s word says. I am a „purist” when it comes to what the bible says, even if it goes against what „i think” is right. I use to think that alcohol is a sin like Chan once did, but then I read romans 14 and got upset with what the apostle paul said. I didn’t want to accept it, but the bible is the final authority not what I feel.
    I heard a very well known Romanian pastor who spoke at numerous convntions and is well respected by the Romanian community. He spoke about the dangers of alcohol and why we should not drink. he has a power point and numerous statistics. well the last 5-10 minutes he spoke about not having a biblical argument prohibiting alcohol and that his motivation for his belief was based on society. I was shocked , yet impressed that he had the courage to say that. The Romanian community is very legalistic on these matters, and i am glad that he defended the Bible and not the traditions of man

    • rodi
      sept. 12, 2013 @ 17:29:58

      you are right that there are no Bible verses that specifically tell us not to drink. However, there are many which tell us to be sober minded. Just common sense and experience in watching someone consume alcohol (because the person drinking it cannot make a right observation of what their behavior is like when under the influence) we know how devastating life can turn from instances of alcohol consumption. For females it is even worse, not only do they have the potential to become victims while inebriated, but just recently the american cancer institute has concluded a 20 year study which shows that young women who regularly drink a glass of wine even, have a 30% higher chance of having breast cancer. So knowing the health implications (and let’s not forget liver disease) and the possibility of doing things one might otherwise not do when sober, why would any responsible preacher preach for drinking and disparage brothers who do not want to touch drink? Why not preach for abstinence and give oneself as an example?

      That was my problem with Chan. After he gets millions of students to follow him online and get good solid bible teaching, he lowers the boom and tells us he enjoys drinking himself. Do you really need to tell college students that it is legalistic to tell someone not to drink. Why waste precious breath on that, when you could be telling them how glorious it is to be in communion while in prayer and reading of the word, how glorious it is to behold the glory of God in a sunset, that you do not need mind altering substances to make you happy? That Jesus is enough. He is better than mind altering substances that give you a buzz or a high.

      For those of us who had a family member completely taken over by alcohol, and I had my grandfather before he became a christian, we know how easy it is to become addicted to strong drink, and how hard it is to kick the habit. And how much the family suffers.

      Marius, the person you are talking about, can potentially, now, do the same presentation and substitute marijuana for alcohol, because the Bible is not specifically condemning marijuana and it is no longer illegal to consume in some states. And sadly, I am sure there are American leaders/preachers who are going to pursue that path to destruction.

      Personally, I was very disappointed that Francis Chan decided to publicly praise alcohol. A legal drug which has ruined millions of lives world wide. Somebody mentioned also that in one sermon (which we haven’t been able to find b/c youtube seems to have closed a lot of older accounts) he said that he was very tempted to bring a drink to the pulpit just to get the legalistic people going. That is not a statement a pastor and worldwide evangelical leader can be proud of. I think it undercut his credibility tremendously.

      If Chan drinks, it is between him and God, but it is not christian like to mock those of us that believe ‘sober minded’ means not consuming mind altering substances.

  6. Marius M
    sept. 12, 2013 @ 20:32:55

    Although i agree with the idea that alcohol should be discouraged and much needs to be said about the dangers of it, He for the most part spoke biblically on the topic.
    your comment- ” Why not preach for abstinence and give oneself as an example?”
    that same question can be given to the apostle Paul. why didn’t he preach abstinence?

    This is a sensitive topic and I understand those that have been affected by alcohol. As believers we need to be aware of others and their convictions. Not drinking doesn’t make one more spiritual than one who does, and the one who does drink shouldn’t be bragging that they can either. the one who doesn’t drink shouldn’t condemn the one who does , like it is a sin. I have met believers that have come to the conclusions that drinking is ok, and they show off and mock those that think it is a sin (just having that attitude is sinful -see 1 Corinthians. 10:24-33, and especially 8:9-13) God is displeased with all of that. it was better that they never drank. freedom in Christ is not a licence for sin
    Drunkenness is a sin however, people get confused about that and say alcohol is a sin

    • rodi
      sept. 12, 2013 @ 21:56:13

      Marius, I appreciate your distinction between drunkenness and alcohol, however it is a very fine line that people cross most every time. Even the states have laws and will arrest a person if driving and having .08 % alcohol in their blood. Do you realize that is 3 drinks in one hour for a male who weighs 160 lbs? It only takes 3 drinks to be legally drunk? How many people only drink 3 little drinks? That is the problem, that people drink in order to get drunk (escape their problems) and feel the buzz, and that is a sin all over the Bible, where the word drunkenness is mentioned.

      If our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit how do we justify putting a drug into our body? Ephesians 5:18 teaches us to „Be Filled with the Spirit,”. Can there be a drug in your system and you still be filled with the Spirit? I have gone to many a meeting where alcohol was flowing and I tell you that I lost respect for a lot of people when I saw them after just 1 drink, and how they changed and how they acted, sometimes extremely shameful.

      The truth is that alcohol is a mind-altering drug and it is addictive (from John Piper – and although he does not call it a sin for his church members to drink, at least he is totally abstinent when it comes to alcohol. One thing he also said was that alcohol today is nothing like it was in Jesus’s time. Piper also put this in his church’s membership applications:
      „ seek God’s help in abstaining from all drugs, food, drink, and practices which harm the body or jeopardize our own or another’s faith.”

      I have seen lives ruined by alcohol, men who lost their driving privileges for life, just this past weekend another 2 young girls killed in a drunk driving accident- they were 19 and 20 years old, or the young man I interviewed for a job, who had a driving under the influence arrest conviction and he has no idea that no company will hire him to work in the next 7 years until that conviction disappears from his record. My heart breaks from all the mayhem I have seen due to alcohol, and now the churches are pushing it…
      something does not seem right about that…

      And I think that Paul encompasses even alcohol, when he teaches that we should not cause our brothers to stumble in Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 8.Romans 14:22 says „The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God.” I wish Francis Chan would have done that. He overstepped a lot of parents wishes when he gave license for people who look up to him to emulate his own drinking. That was disappointing.

  7. Marius
    sept. 13, 2013 @ 10:19:51

    +1 well said
    I agree

  8. patty
    nov. 22, 2013 @ 23:45:57

    Hmmm…if Paul didn’t specify alcohol consumption… How far does he say a christian can go in a relationship outside of marriage before it becomes sin? If he isn’t specific enough, I can guess why so many christian marriages fail. Its disheartening to hear so many christians redefine a desire for holiness and call it legalism.

    • rodi
      nov. 23, 2013 @ 00:00:31

      some of the arguments are bordering on the ridiculous. For example, some people use these as arguments:
      -well, Paul said it, but Jesus didn’t.
      -oh, that’s only prohibited in one little verse, and in no other place in the Bible
      -oh, we’re not sure who wrote that new testament book
      etc. etc. etc.

      Yet, in 1 Peter 1:15 we are exhorted „But just as He who called you is holy; so be holy in all you do.”

      There’s nothing holy about drinking. You don’t even have to be at the legal limit to be and act drunk. I’ve seen it way to often at work outings. And I’ve seen it devastate many lives, from people killing people while driving drunk, to people destroying their families… The Bible doesn’t forbid our playing with fire wither, yet we are smart enough to know not to. Alcohol is worst than playing with fire, because it clouds faculties and judgment and can result in grave consequences. So, even from a logical standpoint, abstinence is the better option.

      Those that scream legalism are ignoring lots of exhortations to believers to be full of God’s Spirit and not wine.

      Paul, in Ephesians 5:18 calls us to be children of the light: „17So then do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit, 19speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;…

    • Marius M
      nov. 24, 2013 @ 10:45:55

      Although I wouldn’t compare marriage and alcohol consumption because its apples and oranges. I can follow your logic and ask the obvious questions that would follow? how far is too far? although a better question is , „what is appropiate?” if someone has the mentality „how much can I do?” they are playing with fire and going about it the wrong way. God has given many things to enjoy in our lives Chapter 4 and 5 of Song of Solomon speak of the relationship between and husband and wife (newlyweds). there is a time and a place for certain things that we may enjoy and for it to blessed by God.
      I find myself in a strange situation with this discussion. I do not drink, I agree with much of what was said. If asked I tell people , you shouldn’t drink. Biblically speaking the bible allows it. I am not defending drinking , I am defending what the word of God says. I consider Alcohol a neutral component. kind of like a TV or the internet. Much harm has come from the internet, but it can also be used in a positive way, what matters is the consumer and how he/she uses what was given to them by God

      • rodi
        nov. 24, 2013 @ 13:42:10

        But Marius,
        the comparisons are not really good, alcohol vs. tv and internet. Neither TV watching or internet surfing cause a physiological impairment of one’s thinking and decision making capabilities. Alcohol does. That is the problem, the moment a drop of alcohol enters the bloodstream, the impairment process begins. And given the crimes we see around us, personally I would feel irresponsible to tell anyone that is is okay do have the occasional drink regardless of whether there is a clear prohibition for it in the Bible or not. Maybe we need to stop debating it that way and just look at what kind of good this practice can do for a person, and my answer would be, not much, especially for the average young person of our day and age.

        Especially in light of the fact that there has been a recent study to show that young females that delay childbearing (these days they almost all do- no one gets married out of high school anymore) and have occasional glasses of wine (not even strong drink) have a much higher risk of developing breast cancer.

        It is not up to me to impose my views on anyone, but, I feel strongly about sharing my views and debating them with christian leaders who exemplify Christ in name, but not in their daily lives.

  9. Marius M
    nov. 24, 2013 @ 20:13:40

    Maybe we are talking about different things. I see things more from a theological perspective. Yours seems to be more of a response to the vices that exist because of Alcohol. The arguments I read should be taken up with the apostle Paul and the word of God. It was chapter 14 of Romans that really changed my perspective, personally I remember when I first studied those verses , I did not want to believe it and I felt let down by the apostle Paul and what he said.I have since grown from then. But the point I’m making is that I prefer the word of God over any man made prohibition

    • rodi
      nov. 24, 2013 @ 23:00:42

      Marius, it seems like it. Theologically you are correct, according to verse 22. And your point is well taken. But, you are refusing to look at the implications of overreaching this subject. If and when you have teenage kids, you will see things much differently. You will be mad if a preacher teaches the liberty out of context, without the prohibition against getting drunk.

      According to the CDC in 2012, 1 in 6 Americans drinks too much. see here –

      So, knowing that, what is my best course of action? To enable or to warn?
      I know I will give an account of what and how I exhort my family, friends, neighbors…

  10. Marius
    nov. 25, 2013 @ 11:29:47

    yes, and that is why i agreed with you earlier
    well said +1

    • rodi
      nov. 25, 2013 @ 13:51:36

      Marius, thanks for helping me shape my own thinking 🙂 and not just on this particular subject, but on others, as well.

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