Passion 2012 – Seeing and Savoring the Supremacy of Jesus by John Piper

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Earlier this year 45,000 college students gathered in Atlanta for Passion 2012. John Piper gave a message with one point: Seeing and savoring the supremacy of Jesus Christ frees you from the slavery of sin for the sacrifices of love.

He unpacks this point by answering four questions: 1) what is seeing and savoring?; 2) what is the supremacy of Christ?; 3) what is freedom from slavery to sin?; and 4) what is freedom for the sacrifices of love?
direct link desiringgod.org/blog/posts/john-pipers-message-at-passion-2012
By John Piper. © Desiring God. Website: desiringGod.org

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  1. Michael Barnett
    mart. 18, 2012 @ 16:36:30

    I read, Moses uses the term and similar terms to God as a reference to self. This talented man does not see what I see in the Moses inspired books. He does not approach to say belief in self is the ultimate freedom. His ultimate freedom is to idol worship over a belief in self.

  2. Michael Barnett
    mart. 19, 2012 @ 08:30:54

    Dear Rodi,

    Firstly I only state what I’ve read from the Bible, so if you are comfortable with your interpretation then that is your right. Secondly, I go back to what did these prophets, Moses etc. , what were they talking about when they used the term God. So, I respect your difference, and defend your difference.

    My upbringing is Christian, my way of life uses the tools from my upbringing. I use tools like the Bible , prayer ( I pray over 10 times a day starting with the lords prayer. )

    I am inclined to believe God as a single almighty being exists. However this is not what Moses is talking about in my opinion. He uses the term God etc. as a reference to self. Belief in yourself if you want to be free and productive, and contribute to society.

    My own prayers end with ‘ So that I can make a positive contribution to the world we live in.’

    Back to the link, Its is not that a superior being does or doesn’t exist or whether we are like this being. The link, suggests you are distracted from my main point. What did Moses mean, what was he referring to when he used the term God. Many are not comfortable with the my belief that the bible is an analysis of self. In my humble opinion. Believe in yourself.

    Trying to live without a moral code. I acknowledge the Bible, some of its concepts have proved dated, others priceless. I value Moses, He is priceless. Ok so we both use in context the bible to guide us. Where we and most of the world differ is where did the word come from. I argue Moses is talking about a belief in self. and as you rightly point out things can go pear shaped, which is why my prayer finishes ‘ make a positive, positive contribution to the world we live in. ‘ What I believe is not supposed to be used immorally, though it can be. I may stumble a little because I’m not a professional writer. I’m software trained to look at perspective.

    Going back to the title of the video. The supremacy of Jesus is his supremacy of a belief in self. His main value is what can believed if you live developing and teaching the development of a belief in self. Going back to David and Goliath, what can be achieved from a belief in self. Miracles, parting of the red sea, so many examples of what can be achieved from a belief in self. Only my opinion.

    • rodi
      mart. 19, 2012 @ 10:12:25

      Michael, I see your point and your Writing is just fine, you juat understand your own point of view much better since you have been honing it for a while.:-) however the narrative of the Bible is that we are fallen and sinful people ever since Adam and in need of redemption and reconciliation to the God who created us. The Bible is full of passages telling us not to trust in ourselves, like Jeremiah 17:9 „The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.” and the apostle Paul in Romans 7:14 says, „but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.”

      Now for the name of God, you are using a translation to read meaning into it. The Jewish name God gave Moses is YHVH. tates that, „YHVH „breathed into his (Adam’s) nostrils the breath of life” and Jesus the Son of God is equal to God so how do you arrive to the opint that you do that all of these teachings point to self? Satan was thrown out of heaven because he wanted to be like God, see Isaiah 14:12-15 „I will be like the most High” So this idea tha one can be like God originated in Satan before the world was even created.

      Although we are indeed God’s workamnship see Ephesians 2:10 „For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them” Still the Bible does not teach self-esteem, it teaches the dying of self to Christ see We are called to be humble: James 4:6 “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

      *FAITH in YHVH not SELF ESTEEM. Romans 12:3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.
      *What God expects of us: Acts 10:34-35
      So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” Doing what is right is all embodied in the New Testament and what Jesus taught along with his apostles.

      the emphasis os self is a form of idolatry and cuts to the heart of the Gospel. we bring absolutely nothing good to the table except our sinfulness in which we are born, God provides the Salvation and redeption and atonement for the sinfulness, so why would we then turn back and depend on ourselves as fallen and rebellious as we are?

  3. Michael Barnett
    mart. 19, 2012 @ 12:27:59

    “so how do you arrive to the point that you do that all of these teachings point to self?”

    ‘Arrive’ is the most the most important word in your text. Like I say I’m software trained to look at the bigger picture. So as I’ve said to many people, by the time I’d read genesis, the penny dropped. So I’m talking about the journey Genesis takes. I notice how after the first chapter the term God dramatically appears less. As the writer approaches the question of what exactly he means by the term God. So only if you’re in a position to consider Genesis as a whole will you stand any chance of seeing the term God used as a reference to self. However until you see it yourself, you will not be convinced. Up until that point or day, I respect your right to strongly suggest Moses is talking about a single almighty being. To worship yourself appears to me to be harmless enough even though that’s not my point, my point is to above all believe in yourself. To think that others should worship you is where you and I both agree is destructive. So belief in self should not lead me to be worshipped. Indeed I frown on my ego. I have a saying ‘My ego allows me feel smarter and act dumber’. I do lots of yoga in the hope that it reduces ego. Where you and I will feel tension is as I’ve said, you believe all your energy should go into idol worshiping and all my time goes into believing in myself. As for sin, I frown on my sins, as for others, I don’t judge those that the state does not judge. For example. I have a neighbour who though she has lung disease, still smokes: I’m not sure how many. So I recently waited for my chance to pass on what I know. I told her to pray, not to him up there, but pray to believe in yourself and stop smoking. I’m as you may have noticed a lousy teacher. I did not fully explain myself.

    I have another neighbour ( I suppose your right a bit of a rough neighbourhood, but few people I know have these problems) His skin has now gone yellow, liver problems brought on by alcohol abuse. Again another this is another neighbour I don’t know well. I bumped into him in a local supermarket. I asked him if he prays, he says in his own way. I said that’s good: Use prayer to believe in yourself and you will stay off that stuff. Ok onto myself maybe one day I will publish my own prayer on here. But its basically about my problems including my own sins. At the last count I had about 50 things I prayed about 10 or more times a day. Like my temper, jealousy, procrastination. ( I haven’t murdered anyone yet). I pray for a job, you name it it’s in my prayers.

    “dying of self to Christ “ this is a tricky one, not sure where to start this meal. But I’ll have a go. To become mentally and spiritually nothing. Ok lets start again, to be a servant of Christ. Ok, where do we learn this, I assume partly from the bible. Second hand via disciples. So the bible is an indirect communication. Ok change who I am, this can be spiritual or it can be educational. Lets go with the educational. I have read the new testament a few times, and this is where I am now at approaching 50. Essentially, the route you suggest, I don’t consider a route. I do think you are asking me to idol worship. Idol worshiping is not a good thing to me. Ok lets say Jesus is God. We go back to who is god. That answer requires you to read Books like Genesis. And at that point we diverge. Though put me in front of the Pope: I will pitch the same pitch, in front of the New Arch Bishop of Canterbury ( I’m in and raised near to Birmingham England). But more importantly, Rodi. The greatest gift I can give to you is to use prayer to believe in yourself. But I will defend your right to refuse my gift to you.

    “God provides the Salvation and redemption and atonement for the sinfulness, “
    Who is god? I do not wait for anyone to make me a better person, I work on it myself. I would suggest those that do wait for a single almighty being, will have a long wait. However they have the right to do so if they so choose. As I read the bible and you appear to find it incredible that I do, I see my own failings as I marvel at the lives of the prophets. And my failings I try to minimise through prayer.

    Sorry I haven’t covered all your points but I’m happy to pick up the main ones if you respond again.

    • rodi
      mart. 19, 2012 @ 13:18:04

      HI Michael, I’ll try to respond to your points as well
      1) arrive – yes you can take the Bible and arrive at a million different points, as has already happened by the hundreds if not thousands of man made religions that are in existence but they all can’t be right because they contradict one another. So how do you know you have the right understanding?

      You have to read the entire Bible, you can not judge God by Genesis alone. And as you read it you have to decide whether you think it is just some stories pieced together or whether this is how God reveals Himself to man. That makes all the difference as to how and where you arrive. If you truly believe that it is God’s word revealed to man about Himself then you trust what it says and learn from it.

      You don’t necessarily need to go to seminary to understand God’s word because He writes it so any one of us can understand the story it is conveying. So after you read the whole Bible, you will see many references made of Old Testament verses and stories made by Jesus and given more context than what we would understand if we only had the Old Testament and nothing else. But the Old Testament is the background for why Jesus had to come and die on a cross.

      He did not come to die on a cross in order to make men like Gods. He came to die for our sins to reconcile humanity to God, so that all who believe on the Son, Jesus Christ we should be forgiven of our sins and can stand as children of God, no longer as children of wrath who live in sinfulness that merits wrath from a holy God.

      Moses was one of the most humble servants of the Old Testament. God chose to give us the 10 commandments through Moses and one of those commandments is in Exodus 20:3 „You shall have no other gods before me.”

      So what you are saying is totally contrary to God. We are just creatures, created in His image, loved by Him without any merit whatsoever and we have nothing to bring to the table except to receive what He has offered us in order to worship Him for His love and to one day have everlasting fellowship and life in His presence.

      I would ask you though to please not post comments like the one you did about Paul Washer (or other preachers) because this is not his blog and it makes no sense. Paul Washer is a teacher of God’s word who spent years in the jungles of Peru teaching God’s love and it very presumptuous to tell him that you hope he finds what he and most christians would consider heresy.

      In my humble opinion (and you decide what you would like to do with your study and life) you should make the time to read the Bible, but especially the New Testament and pray to God to reveal what He wants to you as you read, without supposition and see where it leads you. When you read through the 5th book of the New Testament called „The Acts” and you see how the first century of christians died for their faith, you will see nothing about the aggrandizing of the self there. These were the people Jesus instructed and sent out to proclaim God’s Gospel and Good News of Salvation through Jesus Christ the on of God.

  4. Michael Barnett
    mart. 19, 2012 @ 17:29:24

    Dear Rodi, I am happy to have what ever is offensive removed as that is not my intention. I am not 100% sure I’m right. However the two groups you say maybe offended can only be examples of a strong belief that they are right, another example of belief in self. I wish I could convey what it feels like to be a lone voice among Christians like yourself. I am a voice amongst billions of Christians. The ratio is against me. I am as likely to inspire people as I am like you say offend them. I would defend Paul Washer to do what his heart tells him is right. I read chapter 1 of Acts there is nothing that puts doubt on what I believe, I read about characters with a strong belief in self. You seem to make a connection between believing in yourself and wanting others to worship you as a God. I can assure you I go no further than to say believing in yourself does not make you a God or wanting to be worshipped. All I encourage you to do is consider what these prophets meant by the term God. And I can see that you don’t see it. And I am not convinced you would try to look for something you consider evil. But I don’t consider believing in yourself evil. In fact all the references to people you make confirm belief, in what they think. We are saying the same thing, but we interpret what we read, differently. I chat to Muslims in much the same way. Some get very upset, some hear the penny drop.

    A week does not pass when I don’t come across a comment of someone that is struggling or not looking at things in a manageable way. I write to bishops, ex footballers with depression. Politicians with depression. Clergy women bereaved and unable to minister. But I do not seek to make their situation worse. Like a say , at the end of my prayer. I say ‘ to make a positive contribution to the world we live in. ‘ I am a little uncomfortable that I cannot comment on someone on here, but I can write to the president of America about belief, the Queen of this country, the Prime minister here. In fact anyone that is in context I would express my views to, Even Jesus himself, I would ask do you believe Moses used the term God as a reference to self.

    You mention a million different interpretations, but either you belief or you don’t believe, so out of those million differing interpretations, to me only two matter. What you believe and what you don’t believe.

    If I offend don’t publish.

    Many thanks

    Michael Barnett.

    • rodi
      mart. 19, 2012 @ 17:55:34

      Michael, the intent of the blog is for me to publish posts that I choose and open up discussions. While I appreciate discussion it cannot go on endlessly and repetitively with you writing on each blog post that you wish people would believe in self. If you don’t already have a blog of your own, this would be an excellent time for you to start one and then you can post your thoughts and beliefs there every day. Please respect my right to do so as well. I spend hours every day working on the blog and I will answer any questions or any comments that come my way but there is appoint where I have to stop because it is drawing me away from my primary purpose with this blog and that is to share the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and God’s mercy unto my salvation.

      And to your point, yes you can write whatever you want to the president of the United States, but 1) he will probably never read it and 2) your daily comments to the president would never get published unless you write them on some thread or article where the comments are not looked at by anyone other than the readers who make them. Having conversations in real life is totally different than doing so on the internet, where you and I could waste dozens of unproductive hours just chatting away…. I think we made our points and each will live them out. I know what my life means and where and how it will end and so I have much to do with little time to do it. I hope you find the truth that you are seeking, but it is not within yourself. Choose this day whom you will serve God or man (the self). I choose God. So please do not be offended, but hopefully as you read the New testament you will see Christ for Who He is and when you see Christ you finally see WHO God is

  5. cornelilioi
    mart. 20, 2012 @ 01:59:27

    My daughter Sorina was there…..one of 45,000….she come back completely change. Not about salvation but about mission. Now she’s ready for Ukraine to help girls involve in prostitution rings. We pray God, primarily, to protect them, then give victory to the task group.

    • rodi
      mart. 20, 2012 @ 09:07:59

      That is wonderful that Sorina attended and that she is going into missions! May God raise up our children’s generation to be bold and take the Gospel and do His word wherever God leads them. Thank you so much for sharing that! I watched some of Passion 2012 on livestream and it was powerful to see 45,000 people who love and worsgip God, all in one place!

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