Doug Wilson – Religious Freedom and the First Amendment

Doug Wilson is pastor of Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, theologian and author of several dozen books, and has also debated Christopher Hitchens throughout the United States. the following are notes from 2 clips and just the 3rd clip by itself from his sermon October 7th, 2012 which was designated Pulpit Sunday throughout the United States:

So what do we say to secularists? What do we say to these men who do not want this risen Jesus to rule over them?

We say: We say that Christ had died. Christ was buried. We say that Christ was risen and we add, „There is nothing whatever that you can do about it now. You can’t undo it. If you didn’t want Him to rise from the dead you should have thought about that before you killed Him. You should have thought about that before you crucified Him.

Paul says, „This was not done in a corner. Hundreds of people saw the resurrection. Jesus was crucified in the public square. If you don’t want Jesus to be the Lord over the public square, you should have thought about that before you crucified Him in the public square. Because, when He went in the ground, He came back from the dead, and He came back from the dead in public.

And then He gathered His disciples who had been discouraged and they were despondent. They were hiding in the upper room. He gathered them all up together and he gathered them up on a mountain and He said, „Go. Tell everybody. Even the Americans… especially the Americans… because they’re gonna get above themselves. They’re gonna think they’ve got this zone of neutrality. They’re gonna think that they’ve got this thing going. They’ve got this secular vibe going. Tell all the nations, every nation, every tribe, every language group, every people group, tell every last one of them that they have been purchased with my blood . They don’t belong to them selves anymore and moreover they cannot belong to themselves anymore. It’s done. Jesus rose and there’s nothing whatever that can be done about it. Glory to God. (SEE VIDEO clip HERE)

Religious Freedom and the First Amendment

Sermon Clip: Religious Freedom and the First Amendment from Canon Wired on Vimeo.

My notes from Religious freedom & the 1st amendment – Doug Wilson: We believe that all kings and all presidents, we believe that all Congresses, all parliaments, every assembly of men have a moral and a true obligation to bow down and kiss the Son, lest He be angry with them. Psalm 2:12 We believe that Jesus told us, our marching orders were to disciple all the nations of men, teaching them to obey everything that Jesus commanded. That’s in Matthew 28:18-20. Now, if Jesus says to disciple all the nations, if He says to baptize them, if He says to teach them to obey everything I’ve commanded you- that includes our nation.

Jesus didn’t say this about all the nations, excepts ones that have a first amendment- falsely interpreted. The first amendment does not require Americans to be religiously neutral. If it did, then the Bible would require us to ignore the first amendment…. In a federal system like ours, it doesn’t cause any problems at all if the national bird is the bald eagle and the state bird of Maryland is the Oriole, and different states have different birds. You can have a national flower and a state flower and nobody gets worked up. But, if you have a particular denomination of Christians that’s the established church of Virginia, and another one that’s the established church of Connecticut, and another one that’s the established church of Pennsylvania (let’s say), if you have different established churches and then you create a church of the United States- a national church over the whole shebang, you’re setting the stage for religious conflict.

When the constitution was adopted, 9 of the 13 colonies had established christian churches  at the state level. 9 of the 13 colonies that approved the constitution had established christian churches at the state level. 9 of 13. The constitution did not prohibit the states from acknowledging the fact that Jesus was Lord.  ( of the 13 did acknowledge that Jesus was Lord when the constitution was adopted. They said, in the first amendment: Congress shall make no law concerning the establishment of religion. Congress is the only entity that can violate the first amendment…. And they can violate it by establishing a church of the United States, like there’s a Church of Denmark, and there’s a Church of England. They could violate it by doing that.

They could also violate the first amendment by prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Which they did in 1954, when they passed the Johnson amendment saying: You can’t say this from a christian pulpit.  You can’t say that from a christian pulpit. Somebody’s gonna say, „You’re getting into politics in the pulpit, you’re violating the first amendment.” No, no. Congress is the only entity that can violate the first amendment and Congress has in fact done so repeatedly, over and over again. And, christians, like so many sheep have just followed along and bah. Now, we are sheep and we are supposed to follow along and we are supposed to bah, but, we’re supposed to follow the shepherd, not these people.

Now, this charge that Jesus gave in the great commission to disciple all the nations includes America… We are not secularists with a tiny christian corner in our hearts. We are christians in public, and we are christians in private, with no authorized secular corner in our hearts (that’s compromise)…

…We are christians all the way in… we are christians all the way out. And there are many christians who have compromised themselves by saying, „Caesar can have all the public stuff and I’m gonna keep ‘little devotional cubby’ in the recesses of my heart.” Jesus doesn’t want your devotional cubby, He doesn’t want your little niche, where you go and pray to Jesus, in that little spot. That makes Jesus a sort of limited, finite, household god. He doesn’t wanna be a household god in your heart. He doesn’t wanna be a local Baal. He is the one who rose from the dead and claimed universal dominion over all things.

Who is Being Extreme?

Sermon Clip: Who is Being Extreme? from Canon Wired on Vimeo.


11 comentarii (+add yours?)

  1. gabi
    oct. 15, 2012 @ 22:05:36

    hold on a second … is that his church??

  2. gabi
    oct. 15, 2012 @ 22:10:16

    hmm interesting..,_Idaho)
    Sounds like an excellent church… according to wikipidia.. 🙂

    • rodi
      oct. 15, 2012 @ 22:21:02

      Looks like a very busy church 🙂 with a college, 3 yr seminary program and a publishing house. WOW, I didn’t know about all those activities.

  3. gabi
    oct. 15, 2012 @ 23:12:07

    Metal chairs in a gym? Interesting…not your regular movie theater type with nice chairs and big stage
    They should visit a poor country like Romania to see how them brothers build extravagant churches… 🙂

    • rodi
      oct. 16, 2012 @ 09:54:04

      It’s probably something temporary, the fact that they meet in a gym. Their college must have a chapel (they all do) which is probably being worked on maybe? But, thi setting does give Doug Wilson the setting of an OT prophet speaking in the wilderness 🙂

  4. gabi
    oct. 15, 2012 @ 23:16:00

    By the way none of our pastors joined this protest… but they barked at the pastors under communism that didn’t rise up
    Most had no idea about it…they still get their marching orders from Arad 🙂

    • rodi
      oct. 16, 2012 @ 10:09:39

      I think they were misinformed. This was not a politicized event, like I think they thought. (Although why do they not investigate it? they have internet access to gather info). This was a day for the church and stand and declare that no matter what the state may want to do to dictate what a pastor or preacher should do, these churches will proclaim the word of God as it is, without compromise or fear of retribution. And then, at least Doug Wilson gave the indepth explanation that there is no such law to enable the state to dictate to a church what it should proclaim from its pulpit.

      Because we atch Arad a lot, that whole county is very involved and has christian allies in governemnt positions, from local to national. And Arad having the highest number of Christians (Baptists, Pentecostal and Crestini dupa Evanghelie) in Romania, the politicians know they cannot get elected to city or county positions without the vote of the Christians. And the christians do vote, unlike the Romanian christians in the US. So I don’t think they are getting anything from there. Because Romania is post communist, christians are running for office and winning and serving. We just have to pray that they don’t get corrupted by their newly acquired power and that they make a positive difference if God chooses to work through them. BTW, if you haven’t been to TeamPyro in the last few days, check out Frank Turk’s 6 (short) parts on his take on this election. It is very convincing.

  5. Daniel Foucachon
    oct. 18, 2012 @ 11:52:34

    Hi! You all were wondering about Christ Church meeting in a Gym. Yes, we do, and no, it’s not permanent! Christ Church is wanting to build a nice building, but wants to be cautious financially, and things are in the works!

    Also, thanks for posting the sermon clips.

    • rodi
      oct. 18, 2012 @ 12:43:50

      Daniel, thank you so much for taking the time to provide the explanation! The sermon clips are such a blessing to us, we decided to take the time to transcribe (whenever time permits) in order for our Romanian brothers, and several other non English speaking brothers & sisters, to be able to use online translating tools in order to be able to understand/receive these messages. Many blessings to our brothers and sisters at Christ Church!

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