ORIGINAL SIN – A Muslim man challenges Ravi Zacharias on Original Sin (8 min video)


Questioner: The Christian faith stresses a lot of love, a lot of forgiveness, and you (Ravi) were just speaking to that gentleman about how he could judge everybody rightly. However, what really troubles me is this: Christians dogmas all concur on this one thing- that all of us are born with this ‘original sin’, this thing that we just inherited from Adam, and we are just born with it when we are born. However, I look at the Bible, Jesus never mentioned that. In Ezekiel, in the Old Testament, chapter 18:20 ‘the souls that sins shall die’… the son shall never bear the iniquity of the father… and the father will not bear the iniquity of the son… the righteousness of the righteous will be upon him… and so on. The whole chapter talks about how your righteousness will lead you to heaven. Then, when Jesus talks about it, and He’s in the crowds and everybody is asking Him, „How do we inherit the kingdom?” He brings a little child… and He says, „You have to be as innocent as that child to inherit the kingdom. He never said nothing about original sin, nothing about the trinity, Him being God> He stressed 2 things: that ‘love thy Lord, my Father and your Father and love thy neighbor. That’s the only thing He came up with.

Ravi Zacharias: Do you believe everything Jesus said?

Questioner: Sir, I believe that He was born from a virgin…

Ravi Zacharias: No, no, no. I know you believe that because you’re a muslim. I’m asking if you believe everything Jesus said in the New Testament?

Questioner: I really don’t know what to say because when I buy these Bibles with red writing, and I go to certain pastors, they tell me the red writing is not really what Jesus said.

Ravi Zacharias: Well, that’s a classic sidestep there. But, the reality is that when you look at Jesus, you see first of all what He said to the people who refused to come to Him. He told them that they were of their father, the devil. When He talked about the human condition, He very clearly described it . And you go all the way to the sermon on the mount, and you will see that the standard that He set is impossible for any human being to attain. And He said, also very clearly, as He described very precisely, in the book of Romans, in chapter 3, that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and there is not even one righteous, no, not one. If you believe that statement, you must believe that what the apostle Paul is telling us , there is precisely what he understands a Christian to be. One who is a sinner.

Now, the reason you do not believe in the very sinful reality of the human mind, and the human fallen condition is because you also do not believe, as a muslim, that man is created in the image of God. Therefore, you have absolutely, at that point, no way to even explain the moral framework. So, the moral framework that you actually argue about comes from the Koran.

Questioner: I do also believe in the Gospel of Jesus. When John talks about the Gospel, he says, „And He went into this town, and He preached the Gospel. And Mark talks about Jesus going into this other town, and He preached the Gospel. That Gospel, I believe, came to Jesus’s heart from that Father. None of these Gospels have Jesus’s signature on them. Nobody is really certain, and it is debated until today whether these Gospels are true or not.

Ravi Zacharias: Okay, you’re shifting subjects, so let me try to zero in on you. And what I would like to do is quickly show you exactly what it is that Jesus is talking about, when He reminds us of these truths in the sermon on the mount. But, as I am talking to you, here is what I want you to first try and explain to me. When the Bible says: „All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, what do you think that means?

Questioner: I really think that nobody is perfect.

Ravi Zacharias: Nobody is perfect? Then, how do they find forgiveness?

Questioner: Forgiveness is something that only God can grant.

Ravi Zacharias: That’s correct. So, we are on an even keel now. There is none righteous, no, not one. Nobody is perfect, so there is nobody in his or her condition that can inherit the kingdom of God. Only God can make the decision to give it to you. Jesus says, „If any man come unto me, I will in no way cast out.” „He that has the Son, hath life. He that has not the Son, has not life, but shall come into condemnation.” „When, as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of the Living God, even to them that call upon His name.”

Now, He goes into that tremendous conversation with Nicodemus. And Nicodemus is the ruler and the teacher of the Jews, and so on.. and he is talking about all that he knows, and Jesus looks at Nicodemus and says, „You are a teacher and you don’t know that it is impossible for you to get into the kingdom without the new birth, without being born again?” And here, He makes a very categoric statement, that I want to read for you, because I think that will answer the question. Here it is: As He is dealing with Nicodemus, he says to Nicodemus, ” I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless He is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to Spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying- You must be born again,”

What He is saying is that everyone born of the flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God, that spiritual birth needs to take place, and He goes on to say „For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” So my answer to you is this: You believe none of us is perfect. We are all imperfect. The Bible calls that ‘falling short’ of the standard of God. So, if you don’t want to accept the original sin, you then have to explain why none of us is perfect, and none of us has the capacity to be perfect.

Original sin basically means that in my own condition, I am not able to come to God and meet His complete righteousness , no matter how hard I try. And many of them tried. All this means is that in my strength and in my ability  it is impossible for me to attain the kingdom of God. He’s made the way, He’s provided it, and I would strongly suggest to you that you try and read the Gospel of John without taking those red letters to somebody who tries to tell you that that os not there, because when you go back to the Koran, the Koran also tells you He never died, and therefore He never rose again. There is no living historian of the Scripture, that I know of today, who tells me Jesus did not die. It’s only in the Koran you see it. And it’s a false statement. He died on the cross. History demonstrates that. And when He died on that cross, 3 days later He rose again and He offers you eternal life. You are not perfect, I am not perfect. God is perfect. He’s the only one, and He’s giving you His Son, through whom you and I can be seen as perfect in His sight.

We’ve all sinned. He provides the way, and the new birth is recognized only when that Spirit comes and changes what you want to do. And I hope that will happen one day to you too. Nice talking to you, and we’ll be here after the meeting too.

VIDEO by Don Reynolds

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