Darrell Bock on the (New) Queen James (Bible) Part 1 – Passages in the Old Testament at Dallas Theological Seminary

darrell bockIn this episode, Dr. Darrell Bock, Dr. Robert Chisholm, Dr. Joe Fantin, and Dr. Jay Smith examine biblical passages often bought up in discussions about homosexuality, focusing on material in the Old Testament.

Bock:

Within the last year, there is a Bible that is called the Queen James Bible. You heard that right. That was not King James, that was Queen James. I remember telling my wife this in preparation for this podcast, and she said, „You’ve got to be joking”. There is a group who sat down with the King James Scripture and worked their way through 8 passages (we’ll be discussing more than that today), but, 8 passages that they altered in light of what they claim is the proper way to render these texts. And so, we thought, this is great way into discussing this material:
00:12 Guest introductions and the goals of revisions in the Queen James Bible

04:13 Does Noah’s situation in Genesis 9 contribute to a biblical perspective of homosexuality?

09:03 Does the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19 contribute to a biblical perspective of homosexuality?
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15:08 Does the prohibition in Leviticus 20:22 contribute to a biblical perspective of homosexuality?

23:11 What does the term „abomination” mean in Leviticus 20:22?

29:22 Israel’s call to holiness and the code for serious offenses in Leviticus 20
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34:03 Does David’s description of Jonathan in 2 Samuel

1:26 contribute to a biblical perspective of homosexuality?

38:33 Responding to the challenge that Jesus did not object to homosexuality
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Al Mohler – A Gospel Centered Response to Homosexuality

MAINTAINING BIBLICAL CONVICTION

IS GOING TO BE A VERY HIGH COST

ALL OF US ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY

Albert Mohler posted an excellent response to the issue of homosexuality here –  http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/07/02/b21-panel-sbc-2013/ During the Baptist 21 Panel at the 2013 Southern Baptist Convention in Houston Mohler was asked about a Christian Gospel-centered response to homosexuality.

I transcribed part of the 8 minute video, starting at around the 2 min mark:

„Homosexuality is a sin that leads to death, along with adultery, along with being disobedient to parents, along with being a gossip… many people in our culture have bought into the lie that their sexual desire is who they are. The reality is that every human being north of puberty is a pervert, in the sense that there isn’t any Christian, or any person we know that is without sexual sin- at least, even if you define that as ‘falling short of the glory of God…. every honest person knows that whether it’s a desire for relational fulfillment or the desire for the fulfillment of the flesh, we have all tried to make of our sexuality something that is basically idolatrous. This is the very point that Paul makes in Romans chapter 1. So we’re talking as sinners to sinners, and we know that.

And yet, those of us who are heterosexual sinners can have a place of wholeness and health in marriage, because the biblical theology of sexuality is entirely derivative of the biblical theology of marriage. And marriage, biblically defined is only one thing, and that is the union of a man and a woman. And Jesus, in the Gospel of Matther says, „It was God’s intention form the beginning that it would be so. So, the Bible authorizes heterosexual sinners to enter into the holy union of marriage. Which is holy, by the way, even if the people in it are unregenerate. It’s a Christian institution given to all. And thus, we can find sexual fulfillment, which is also given with the gift of procreation, which is so clear in the Genesis mandate, that the gift of sexuality  and the gift of marriage were given for the filling of the earth and the multiplication of God’s glory  in the progeny that would come.  

But, around us, we have this sexual liberation that tells people our sexual desires are who we are. We have no way of knowing if there are more people that have in themselves same sex desires, but there certainly is an authorization now to name it, to claim it, and to say, „This is who I am.”  We, as Christians, are gonna be in a tremendously difficult position. Everybody feels it. The younger you are, the more keenly and acutely you know it. Maintaining biblical conviction is going to be a very high cost all of us are going to have to pay.

……

If you tell people that their sin is not sin, then you’re telling them Jesus didn’t have to die for that, and you don’t need a Savior for that. And, as much as that’s true of my pride, and every sin of mine I can list- it’s true for them. And, if I deny that any of my sin is sin, I say, „Jesus didn’t die for that. I don’t need a Savior.” I can’t say that about my sin, or their sin.

By the way, I get asked all the time these days- I just taught a class on this, last week, on Homosexuality and the Gospel. People said, „What about gay people in the church. There aren’t any gay people in the church. There aren’t any adulterers in the church. If 1 Corinthians says, „… such were some of you…” it doesn’t mean that people aren’t struggling with things. But, if you are in union with Christ, you’re not defined by a sin. That’s prior to your conversion. Once you are regenerated, you are gonna struggle.. Paul makes that so candidly clear in Romans chapter 7. But, you are no longer defined by that. Because, if you’re united with Christ, Christ is not that.

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Rob Bell – 2 video interviews, his evolving views on hell and homosexuality

English: Rob Bell at the 2011 Time 100 gala.

In case you missed these the first time around, here are both videos again:

Part of a wider discussion on the Unbelievable? radio show/podcast. To hear the full debate: http://goo.gl/JH23v

Rob Bell returns to Unbelievable? 2 years after his debate on the controversial best-seller ‘Love Wins,’ to talk about his latest book ‘What we talk about when we talk about God’.

Andrew Wilson is an author and theologian with the New Frontiers church network. He quizzes Rob about his view of God, and his recently stated support for gay marriage.
For more theological discussion between Christians visit http://www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable (Photo via wikipedia)

(1) Rob Bell and Andrew Wilson /

Homosexuality & The Bible

(2) Rob Bell and Adrian Warnock /

The Book ‘Love Wins’

VIDEO by Revival House

Rob Bell interviewed on the Unbelievable Broadcast

English: Rob Bell at the 2011 Time 100 gala.

Rob Bell, former founder and pastor of Mars Hill Church up until 2012, has just released a new book earlier this month, titled ‘What we talk about when we talk about God‘. This follows his prior book „love Wins’ which stirred up controversy over the idea of universalism and the existence of hell. In this interview, done right after the release of his newest book, Andrew Wilson debates Rob Bell on God, Salvation & Homosexuality on Justin Brierly’s radio show ‘Unbelievable’ which airs in the UK. (You can listen to the interview at the link above the video). In the video, Dr. Oakley of Alpha and Omega Ministries (website www.aomin.org) examines Rob Bell’s interview and his statements on several points.

From Dr. Oakley:

Dr. Oakley reviews Rob Bell’s appearance on Justin Brierley’s Unbelievable Radio Broadcast recently. The discussion turned to his new position on homosexuality, and Mr. Bell demonstrated that his position is one of cultural compromise, not biblical reflection. To read up or learn more about Rob Bell and the issues surrounding his views on universalism and hell, see the links below the video.

You can listen to Rob Bell’s interview here –

 http://www.premierradio.org.uk

Dr. Oakley’s review of the interview

  1. Heaven and Hell debate – http://www.premier.tv/id/1_qkhmbyby (Rob Bell debates Adrian Warnock after the release of his book ‘Love Wins’. 
  2. Mithra? Attis? Really, Rob Bell? by Dr. Oakley (Review of troubling Nooma video)
  3. Panel Discussion of Rob Bell’s book ‘Love wins’ at Gospel Coalition 2011
  4. Love Wins: A ‘Theological’ Conversation on Rob Bell’s New Book at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
  5. Martin Bashir -Interviewed about “Love Wins” (Part 1-4, 40 minutes)
  6. Rob Bell vs. Adrian Warnock Video Debate – Heaven & Hell with Justin Brierly
  7. Hell Yes, Hell No: A Response to Rob Bell & Love Wins, Bobby Conway

 

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