DORU POPE – Atributele lui Dumnezeu PARTEA 1 Logos Podcast

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Realizator Dan Miclea: Astazi vom discuta despre atributele lui Dumnezeu. Nu este indeajuns doar sa cunoastem numele lui Dumnezeu, sau ca exista Dumnezeu. Trebuie sa cunoastem si ceea ce face acest Dumnezeu. Cand intalnim un om, vrem sa-l cunoastem, sa-i stim numele si conform atributelor care le are, noi ne raportam la el. Astazi, vrem sa vedem cine este Dumnezeul nostru si care sunt stributele lui.

Doru Pope: A W Tozer a scris undeva ca cunoasterea lui Dumnezeu ne va influenta intreaga viata. El a spus, si parafrasez: Ceea ce ne vine in minte cand ne gandim la Dumnezeu este lucrul cel mai important despre noi. Ce inseamna aceasta? Inseamna ca daca avem o cunoastere gresita a lui Dumnezeu, atunci gresim pretutindeni. Deoarece, cunoasterea de Dumnezeu ne va afecta nu doar caracterul, ci intreaga privire asupra lumii. Noi suntem fiinte create de catre Dumnezeu. Despre faptul ca suntem creati de Dumnezeu, vom vorbi alta data, in viitor. Acum, doar sa spunem, ca in calitate de creaturi, exista in noi o tendinta, un fel de busola interioara care ne face sa cautam si sa avem un dumnezeu, indiferent cine este sau ce este acesta. Apoi, noi avem tendinta de a ne misca catre dumnezeul nostru si de-al imita, de-al copia, de a deveni ca si el- a-l ilustra. Psalmistul ne asigura cu privire la aceasta, ca este adevarat, cand spune in Psalmul 115:4-8

Idolii lor sînt argint şi aur, făcuţi de mîni omeneşti.
5 Au gură, dar nu vorbesc, au ochi, dar nu văd,
6 au urechi, dar n’aud, au nas, dar nu miroase,
7 au mîni, dar nu pipăie, picioare, dar nu merg; nu scot niciun sunet din gîtlejul lor.
8 Ca ei sînt cei ce -i fac; toţi cei ce se încred în ei.

Deci, ciné are un idol, devine ça idolul. Ca sa nu mai vorbim ca si idolul este o proectie  a ceea ce suntem noi. Acum, Dumnezeu ar fi putut crea tot universul si sa continue sa ramana ascuns, sa nu se descopere, chiar si in revelatia generala. Si daca va amintiti, data trecuta am vorbit despre aceasta. Putem observa decizia lui Dumnezeu a ni se descoperi si de a ne arata cum este El. A facut-o, asa cum am vazut din scrierile lui ap. Pavel, prin natura. S-a revelat in lucrurile create de El, facute de El. Toti oamenii, ne spune Pavel, sunt pusi fata in fata cu aceasta descoperire de sine a lui Dumnezeu. Asta nu este doar o informare despre Dumnezeu, cum le-ar place unora sa creada, ci este o cunoastere despre Dumnezeu, cum spune Pavel in vers. 21 „au cunoscut pe Dumnezeu.”

Ce-au facut, insa, oamenii cu aceasta cunoastere a lui Dumnezeu? Tot in cuvintele lui Pavel: „Au inadusit adevarul.” Adica, altfel spus, au suprimat adevarul despre Dumnezeu. In pacatul lor, in viata lor, traita in faradelege, ca si cand ar fi fost orbi sau legati la ochi. Este expresia strutului cu capul in nisip. Ca si cand, daca noi ne-am face ca nu-L vedem, El n-ar exista. Cum spuneam mai sus, pentru ca omul nu poate trai fara Dumnezeu, oamenii au cautat dumnezei in alte fapturi: banul, alti oameni, ba in animale, sau plante si chiar si in lucruri, in obiecte, sau in idei. In vers. 23, Pavel ne spune: „Si-au facut idoli.” Nu de mult, am vazut un actibild, pe bara de protectie a unei masini. El ortretiza o balena si o inscriptie care spunea ‘Save Humans’. Balenele nu sunt umani, sunt animale si trebuie sa fie lasate sa fie asa cum au fost create animalele.

Ce element a lipsit in aceasta revelatie generala, despre care vorbeste Pavel in Romani 1? A lipsit un element salvator, de care Pavel ne spune ca este continut in Evanghelia lui Isus Hristos. Mai tarziu, in cap. 10 vorbeste despre aceasta, in Romani. Vestea buna, despre Isus Hristos, duce la credinta. Si cine crede in Isus Hristos devine un copil al lui Dumnezeu si-L cunoaste pe Dumnezeu. Ioan, in cap 17:3 ne spune ca aceasta cunoastere a lui Dumnezeu este egala cu viata vesnica. Si in cuvintele lui Isus, viata vesnica este aceasta: Şi viaţa vecinică este aceasta: să Te cunoască pe Tine, singurul Dumnezeu adevărat şi pe Isus Hristos, pe care L-ai trimes Tu.

Acum, tot Domnul Isus ne explica cum functioneaza aceasta cunoastere, cum ne vine aceasta cunoastere. Matei 11:27 ‘Toate lucrurile Mi-au fost date în mîni de Tatăl Meu; şi nimeni nu cunoaşte deplin pe Fiul, afară de Tatăl; tot astfel nimeni nu cunoaşte deplin pe Tatăl, afară de Fiul, şi acela căruia vrea Fiul să i -L descopere.‘ Descoperirea aceasta de Dumnezeu este prin intermediul cuvantului lui Dumnezeu, atat scris, cat si intrupat. Intrupat, adica, prin Domnul Isus Hristos. Cuvantul s-a facut trup, ne spune Ioan. Si chiar daca Dumnezeu este inalt si mai presus de orice fiinta, cum spuneam data trecuta, imposibil de cunoscut in totalitate, El care este infinit de catre mintile noastre infinite, totusi, Dumnezeu ne-a descoperit suficient despre Sine, pentru a putea ajunge la cunoasterea Lui. Sa mai spun aici, ca eu personal, cred ca viata vesnica, vesnicia, cerul, raiul, cum vreti sa-i ziceti- o vom petrece, tot timpul acesta, cautand si si continuand sa-L invatam pe Dumnezeu. Sa descoperim pe Dumnezeu si sa-I slavim maretia si frumusetea fapturii Sale. Cred ca asta va fi preocuparea noastra de o vesnicie.

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Insusirile lui Dumnezeu: Incomunicabile si Comunicabile
Acum, cunoasterea lui Dumnezeu prin caracterul lui Dumnezeu, cu insusirile Sale, ne apropiem incet de subiectul nostru. Insusirile ne spun cum este Dumnezeu si cine este El. Teologia se apropie de aceste insusiri si pentru o mai usoara abordare a lucrurilor, le-am clasificat in cel putin doua grupe majore:

  1. Teologii vorbesc despre insusirile incomunicabile a lui Dumnezeu
  2. si insusirile comunicabile a lui Dumnezeu

Ca si trasaturi incomunicabile, aceasta se refera la ceea ce este aparte, sau numai apartine doar lui Dumnezeu. Insusiri care il fac, sa zicem asa, pe Dumnezeu sa fie Dumnezeu. El nu le imparte cu nimeni. Aici putem sa vorbim despre vesnicia, eternitatea lui Dumnezeu sau atotputernicia Sa, sau omniprezenta Sa, sau atotstiinta Sa. Aceste atribute apartin numai lui Dumnezeu. El nu le impartaseste cu oamenii.

Atunci sunt atribute sau insusiri comunicabile. Astea se refera la faptul ca anumite trasaturi de caracter, Dumnezeu le-a impartasit omului si El chiar si cere omului ca sa le exprime. Acestea trasaturi sunt, de exemplu, bunatatea si dragostea, si mila si altele ca ele.

Atribute transcendente si imanente a lui Dumnezeu. 
Acuma, alti teologi au facut o alta clasificare a insusirilor lui Dumnezeu. Si ei vorbesc despre atribute transcendente. si imanente. Transcendente, in sensul ca Dumnezeu este altfel decat noi. Este separat de noi. Este mai presus de noi. Este aparte de noi. Iar imanent, in sensul in care Dumnezeu este cu noi, este alaturi de noi. Ii pasa de noi, se ingrijeste de noi.

Insusiri absolute si insusiri relative. 
Si acum, din multele clasificari, sa mai amintesc inca de una si trece ma departe. Sunt insusiri absolute si insusiri relative. Aceleasi trasaturi care-s incomunicabile sunt si absolute. Aceleasi insusiri care-s incomunicabile sunt si relative. Vedeti ca e numai o altfel de denumire sau clasificare a lor.

Si inca ceva, inainte de a ne avanta in unele din insusirile lui Dumnezeu, ca nu o sa le tratam pe toate, nu avem nici timp si poate ca si interesul va scade fata de aceste subiecte, fiind una dintre subiectele tehnice, ca sa zic asa. Deci, inainte de a ne avanta in aceste insusire a lui Dumnezeu , trebuie sa spun ca este un cuvant de avertisment aici. Exista tendinta in crestinism de a sublinia sau de a accentua o insusire mai presus de altele, sau in detrimentele altora. De exemplu, in lumea in care traim noi, in ultimii 20-25 de ani, am auzit mereu vorbinduse despre faptul ca Dumnezeu este dragoste. Ca Dumnezeu este pentru noi, ca Dumnezeu vrea sa ne faca bine si sa ne binecuvanteze, si sa ne imbunatateasca viata, sa fim mai realizati, mai fericiti.

De partea cealalta, se vorbeste foarte rardespre justitia lui Dumnezeu sau despre mania lui Dumnezeu. Ca sa nu mai vorbim, ca iadul nici nu se mai aminteste. Apar carti, ca celebra scrisa a lui Rob Bell, ‘Love Wins’ – ‘Dragostea Invinge’, si in cartea aceasta, Rob Bell cocheteaza cu universalismul, credinta ca in cele din urma, toti o sa fie mantuiti. Deci, dragostea va calca in picioare dreptatea si judecata lui Dumnezeu, ca si Biblia spune ca ‘Dumnezeu este dragoste.’ Nu-i asa? Si de aia nu se vorbeste despre judecatile lui Dumnezeu, despre iad. Asta este o teologie care-l are pe omin centrul unviersului. Dumnezeu este transformat intr-u fel de adaus la viata noastra, care ne imbunatateste. Ne aduce un plus de noroc, care ne lipseste fara El. Sa nu uitam dragii mei, ca in centrul universului sta doar Dumnezeu. Nimeni si nimic altceva.

Asa ca, Dumnezeu este privit in asemenea teologii, care au tendinta de a sublinia un atribut in defavoarea  sau detrimentul altora, Dumnezeu este privit ca o manusa, care are cateva preturberante unde intra degetele. Si locul unde intra degetul mijlociu este mai lung si mai mare decat celelalte si degetul unde intra degetul gros e mai scurt si mai gros. Vreau sa precizez ca insusirile lui Dumnezeu sunt intr-o armonie perfecta. Faptul ca intr-un anume moment al vietii cuiva, cineva l-ar percepe pe Dumnezeu ca fiind milostiv si iubitor si purtator de grija, nu inseamna ca aceste atribute sunt superioare sau mai pronuntate decat altele sau ca celelalte. Vorbim astfel in teologie de simplitatea lui Dumnezeu. Dumnezeu este simplu. Si asta nu inseamna ca Dumnezeu este redus sau ca El este usor de dus cu zaharelul. Si simplitatea nu se refera nici la structura lui Dumnezeu, ca fiind lipsita de complexitate. Simplitatea se refera la faptul ca Dumnezeu nu este alcatuit, compus din mai multe parti, dintr-un x numar de parti. De exemplu: Dumnezeu nu este compus din iubire, mila, manie, bunatate, sfintenie, El, insa, este fiecare din aceste lucruri.

Dumnezeu, deci, nu are dragoste. Dumnezeu este dragoste. Dar Dumnezeu este si dreptate. El este neprihanire. El este deplin in aceste insusiri. De aceea, nu trebuie sa ne mire, chiar si Scriptura vorbeste si ne spune ca Dumnezeu este dragoste. Sau, in alta parte, in Vechiul Testament, cred ca in Isaia, Dumnezeu, neprihanirea noastra. Pentru ca Dumnezeu este fiecare pe deplin, in aceste insusiri. Insusirile lui Dumnezeu nu sunt partile lui Dumnezeu. Dumnezeu nu este ca un fel de reteta culinara- doua parti faina, o parte apa, una de lapte. Fiecare dintre insusirile lui Dumnezeu este identica cu Dumnezeu. Insusirile lui Dumnezeu nu sunt diferite de esenta lui Dumnezeu. Dar nu sunt diferite nici de celelalte insusiri. Adica, in cuvintele lui Herman Bavinck,  Dumnezeu este ceea ce are.

De ce avem, oare, dificultati in a considera astfel pe Dumnezeu? A ne uita la Dumnezeu in felul acesta? Cred ca este din cauza umanitatii noastre. Sa dam un exemplu: Omul ramane om si daca pierde un madular. Sau daca isi pierde posibilitatea de a trai fara aparate, deci, daca functiile vitale sunt tinute doar prin niste aparate, la care esti legat pe patul unui spital, chiar si in acele conditii, el este tot om. Rudeniile, de aceea se intreaba si dezbat problema: Cand este momentul potrivit sau daca este vreodata momentul potrivit sa il desprinzi pe om, sa-l dezlegi de la aparatele care-i mentin functiile sale, ca doar este om. Omul este om si daca devine ucigas sau criminal si este om si cand isi pierde mintea. Tot om ramane. Astfel, noi proiectam asupra lui Dumnezeu felul nostru de a fi. Dar Dumnezeu nu poate sa continue sa fie Dumnezeu daca pierde una din insusirile Sale. El trebuie sa fie si sa raman si de fapt este 100% drept, 100% intelept, 100% sfant si 100% dragoste. Dumnezeu este fiecare din insusirile Sale, complect si concomitent in acelasi timp.

Astfel, Dumnezeu, nu trebuie sa vorbim despre El ca fiind o esenta, o fiinta care are anumite propietati. Sa iei de exemplu- apa. Va aduceti aminte de povestirea aceea cu elefantul, la care se spune ca mai multi orbi au fost adusi cu totii langa un elefant si au fost rugati sa descrie obiectul pe care ei il pipaie, doar in urma ce ei pipaie. Au apucat elefantul de picior si au zis, „Aici e un copac.” Altii au prins trompa elefantului si l-au descris altfel, samd. Dumnezeu, ziceam in exemplu cu apa, nu este ca apa. Bagi mana in apa si zici: „Okay, apa este calda sau rece, sau este uda.” Are aceste trasaturi de caracter, propietatile lui Dumnezeu sunt esenta lui Dumnezeu. Lucrul acesta este important sa-l tinem minte, ca  sa ne fereasca de eroare si de erezii.

In timp, multi l-au privit pe Dumnezeu ca fiind o esenta cu mai multe propietati si propietatile fiind separate, fiind emanatii ale esentei Sale. Acest lucru a fost mult dezbatut in filosofia antica, de Socrate, Plato, gnosticii. De exemplu, au considerat ca Dumnezeu este necunoscut si imposibil de explorat de catre noi, oamenii. Si Dumnezeu, de aceea, a avut anumite emanatii, eoni. Aceste emanatii au fost de rang, din ce in ce mai inferior, pana cand acestea au putut fi pricepute de oameni. Arius si teologia sa, arianismul, au fost victime unei asemenea interpretari. Conform Arianismului, Isus Fiul lui Dumnezeu este entitate separata de Tatal, El are un inceput si este subordonat Tatalui. Conciliul de la Nicea (cum am spus data trecuta) s-a ocupat de aceasta erezie si de punere la punct a ei.

Astfel, Dumnezeu este o esenta pura, este una simpla, indivizibila. Dar pentru scopul nostru, vom vorbi despre anumite insusiri ale lui Dumnezeu. Va rog sa nu considerati, vorbind despre exemplul dragostei a lui Dumnezeu am elevat dragostea deasupra justitiei. Sau ca vorbind despre mania lui Dumnezeu am neglijat dragostea lui Dumnezeu. Si inca ceva si apoi incheiem. Insusirile lui Dumnezeu nu-s dobandite in timp, mai ales ca Dumnezeu este in afara de timp si de spatiu. Dumnezeu nu dobandeste in timp anumite insusiri. El nu ia din exteriorul fiintei Sale anumite lucruri, care i se par ca sunt bune si i-ar putea fi folositoare. Insusirile lui Dumnezeu nu sunt dezvoltate sau deteriorate in timp. Ele nu sunt abandonate acum, in favoarea altora mai populare. Dumnezeu nu zice: „Acum este vremea Vechiului Testament si Eu am sa-mi arat mania si dreptatea si o sa sterg de pe fata pamantului natiunile, ca sa fac loc poporului Meu, Israel. Si acum, i nperioada aceasta, Dumnezeu spune: „Imi pare rau ca am fost manios si acum sunt numai dragoste. Imi arat iubirea, iubirea este insusirea Mea principala. Insusirile lui Dumnezeu nu cresc, nici nu scad. De fapt, Isus Hristos este acelasi ieri, azi si in veci. Amin.

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Reclame

Rob Bell – 2 video interviews, his evolving views on hell and homosexuality

English: Rob Bell at the 2011 Time 100 gala.

In case you missed these the first time around, here are both videos again:

Part of a wider discussion on the Unbelievable? radio show/podcast. To hear the full debate: http://goo.gl/JH23v

Rob Bell returns to Unbelievable? 2 years after his debate on the controversial best-seller ‘Love Wins,’ to talk about his latest book ‘What we talk about when we talk about God’.

Andrew Wilson is an author and theologian with the New Frontiers church network. He quizzes Rob about his view of God, and his recently stated support for gay marriage.
For more theological discussion between Christians visit http://www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable (Photo via wikipedia)

(1) Rob Bell and Andrew Wilson /

Homosexuality & The Bible

(2) Rob Bell and Adrian Warnock /

The Book ‘Love Wins’

VIDEO by Revival House

Rob Bell interviewed on the Unbelievable Broadcast

English: Rob Bell at the 2011 Time 100 gala.

Rob Bell, former founder and pastor of Mars Hill Church up until 2012, has just released a new book earlier this month, titled ‘What we talk about when we talk about God‘. This follows his prior book „love Wins’ which stirred up controversy over the idea of universalism and the existence of hell. In this interview, done right after the release of his newest book, Andrew Wilson debates Rob Bell on God, Salvation & Homosexuality on Justin Brierly’s radio show ‘Unbelievable’ which airs in the UK. (You can listen to the interview at the link above the video). In the video, Dr. Oakley of Alpha and Omega Ministries (website www.aomin.org) examines Rob Bell’s interview and his statements on several points.

From Dr. Oakley:

Dr. Oakley reviews Rob Bell’s appearance on Justin Brierley’s Unbelievable Radio Broadcast recently. The discussion turned to his new position on homosexuality, and Mr. Bell demonstrated that his position is one of cultural compromise, not biblical reflection. To read up or learn more about Rob Bell and the issues surrounding his views on universalism and hell, see the links below the video.

You can listen to Rob Bell’s interview here –

 http://www.premierradio.org.uk

Dr. Oakley’s review of the interview

  1. Heaven and Hell debate – http://www.premier.tv/id/1_qkhmbyby (Rob Bell debates Adrian Warnock after the release of his book ‘Love Wins’. 
  2. Mithra? Attis? Really, Rob Bell? by Dr. Oakley (Review of troubling Nooma video)
  3. Panel Discussion of Rob Bell’s book ‘Love wins’ at Gospel Coalition 2011
  4. Love Wins: A ‘Theological’ Conversation on Rob Bell’s New Book at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
  5. Martin Bashir -Interviewed about “Love Wins” (Part 1-4, 40 minutes)
  6. Rob Bell vs. Adrian Warnock Video Debate – Heaven & Hell with Justin Brierly
  7. Hell Yes, Hell No: A Response to Rob Bell & Love Wins, Bobby Conway

 

Betrayed with a Kiss – Eric Ludy

There is a conspiracy in our midst to undermine our confidence in the Word of God. This message was preached after Rob Bell’s trailer for his new book „Love wins” debuted.

God doesn’t stutter. He knows what He is saying and it is up to us to get our ridiculous post modern junk out of the way, the cultural entrap pings, the social sensibilities, the political correctness out of the way so we can allow God just to speak straight to us. He says it and He means it. And He’s meant it for 6,000 years ever since it began. He knows what He’s doing  and He’s not caught off guard with our culture. 

The enemy deserves a litlle credit: The brilliance of sneaking liberal thinking into the modern conservative church. The Satanic agenda to undermine the church today is not dead. The entire next generation of Christian leadership is being defined by men such as Donald Miller, Rob Bell and Brian MacLaren. The collegiates are buying their books in droves.

The entire message is transcribed below the video published on Jun 6, 2012 by :

Betrayed with a Kiss – The conspiracy of the modern prophet by Eric Ludy

Eric Ludy is Pastor of the Ellerslie Church in Windsor, Colorado. You can visit his website here http://ericludy.com/Home.html

Luke 22:46-49

“Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”47 While he was still speaking a crowd came up, and the man who was called Judas, one of the Twelve, was leading them. He approached Jesus to kiss him, 48 but Jesus asked him, “Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?” 49 When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, should we strike with our swords?”

Ezekiel 22:23-31

23 Again the word of the Lord came to me: 24 “Son of man, say to the land, ‘You are a land that has not been cleansed or rained on in the day of wrath.’ 25 There is a conspiracy of her princes within her like a roaring liontearing its prey; they devour people, take treasures and precious things and make many widows within her. 26 Her priests do violence to my law and profane my holy things; they do not distinguish between the holy and the common; they teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean; and they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. 27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain. 28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’—when the Lord has not spoken.29 The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the foreigner, denying them justice.

30 “I looked for someone among them who would build up the wall and stand before me in the gap on behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it, but I found no one.31 So I will pour out my wrath on them and consume them with my fiery anger, bringing down on their own heads all they have done, declares the Sovereign Lord.

(1) The Word of God IS the Word of God

  • The Word of God IS the Word of God. Today a version of „Did God really say?” permeates the churches. The word of God didn’t come about accidentally; it was not voted on in 300 A.D. – it was understood by the Church for those 300 years. Everyone knew it. They formalized it? Why? Because it was under SIEGE. The basis of our belief is that the Word of God cannot lie! It cannot lie! Note 1 Thessalonians 2:13- And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, as it is in truth, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe. Hebrews 6:18 – …it is impossible for God to lie” Numbers 23:19- God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?  If you believe the Word of God is the word of men, your foundations will fail you. But, if you want to build upon a rock, then you take God at His Word. The Word of God is the Word of God and the Word of God is as God is: It cannot lie. Therefore, when you have those foundation points, you are not shaken.

The appeal of the open mind

  • Discusses closed mind, narrow mind and open mind. The appeal of the open mind is that it appears more reasonable, more generous, more accepting, more hospitable, more socially-correct. An open mind is a „door open” policy. Everyone of us is predisposed to the „open mind” option.
  • Definition of Closed Mind– A mind that ignorantly and belligerently dismisses and excludes actual facts from having any say in the formation of his/her reality. A mind not open to reasonable discussion, not open for the business of discussing truth. (This is a fantastic environment for cults to foster.
  • Definition of Narrow Mind – a mind that strictly filters all fact and information through an individual’s or small group of individual’s small finite human worldview and experience. A mind unable to break out of traditional, religious and/or cultural moorings to accept  that truth is bigger than what can be comprehended by a singular person or closed off group of people.
  • Definition of Open Mind – A mind that is reasonable and judicious with facts, desirous to learn, accepting of all, ever-ready to consider new and novel thoughts, a mind hospitable to all notions whether true or false. A mind open to anything and everything, eager to chew on ideas never before considered.
  • The Christian OptionThe Canon Mind – not to be narrow minded, not to be closed minded nor open minded (even though it sounds terrible to say we are not open minded. We are open minded to one thing: To God. And, how are we open minded to God? To His Word.) We are seemingly closed to the world. But, it is God’s worldview and He know more than everyone else. He’s the one that created the heavens and the earth. Don’t you think His world view is a pretty good one to reason through? If you’re going to have a filter, that’s a bout a good as one as you’re going to get. That’s Christianity: It’s fidelity and faithfulness to One. I do not have an open marriage, for instance. I have a marriage that is closed off to any other invasive force; anything else that would try to get in, I don’t share and say, „Come on in”. I am exclusive to my wife. You would say, „That’s good”. That’s right, and that’s what it means to be exclusive to Jesus Christ. His Word is our guide and anything that would tend to contradict it, undermine it is kept outside the house. It might sound closed and it might sound narrow, actually it’s life and life abundant.
  • Canon Mind – A mind given wholly to God, implicitly trusting God’s definition of reality, exclusively devoted to God’s opinion and command, closed to all thoughts, ideas, or philosophies that would lead the mind to another take on reality. The Canon Mind is a mind built on God’s Word as if it were in fact the Word of God. The Canon Mind is built upon the rock-like conviction that God’s Word is the perfect revelation of Fact, it cannot lie and is 100% Truth and the Canon Mind knows that God intends for His Word to be comprehended by His saints, understood by His saints, and lived out by His saints. The Canon Mind is not open to any thought, notion, or definition of reality that is not 100% concurrent with the Revelation of God’s Word. IF IT DOESN’T ALIGN WITH THE WORD OF GOD, IT’S OUT. (Acts 17:11)

Nooma videos and post-modern mush

  • Repainting the Christian faith – The videos repaint Truthby leveraging the confidence gained to sink the Church into error and the questioning of biblical authority. The enemy has been behind this exact process since the beginning
  • The gush of post-modern mush- A pseudo-intellectualism that roosts high above the Bible, looking down with a compassionate gaze upon the notions of the „archaic” text. Post-modernism has overtaken the church of Jesus Christ today. It does not demand logic. As a result you can have 2 contradictory thoughts coexist and that is why these men can literally undermine something by saying, „Well, I don’t know that I believe the virgin birth, but I esteem the virgin birth because I am an orthodox Christian”. What? How in the world can you say both things? Well, it’s a pseudo-intellectualism which means it’s fake intellectualism. These guys think they’re smart. They’re above the Bible, looking down, as if they can survey and tweak it however they choose, but they have a „compassionate” gaze saying, „Oh, this poor thing; this Bible’s gone through such hard times, it’s so misunderstood today… the poor text of Scripture. You know, God means well, but I think He needs me to help Him along, in this generation- to sort of clarify His heart.” And so, as a result, they take a position of „above” the Word of God with a „compassionate” gaze  to help along the „limping, archaic” text.

Your position on the Word defines your response to the Word

  • Above it – If you’re above the word, it defines how you respond to it: You critique, correct, and contour it to meet your sensibilities. „I understand our culture God, and I realize You make some harsh statements about homosexuality here, but I don’t think you realize what You’re getting yourself into. If You want to be attractive to anyone in this culture You can’t take that hard line. The way You talk about women here is very misunderstood in our culture so we’re gonna have to gender neutralize this Bible because this is going to offend women.
  • Equal to it – Esteem it as good, treat it as friend, bask in its kind phrases, but ignore its call to give up all. It’s just a buddy. Buddies can’t command you what to do. Buddies can encourage you and do nice things for you. If you’re equal with the Bible, it does not have lordship over your life.
  • Below it – Believe it with unquestioning fervor, reckon it with unwavering Faith, and bend to it with loyal, worshipful devotion.
  • Most people, when they see that list say, „Man, I don’t like this word „control”. I don’t like this, that sounds cult like. Ok, so God’s running a cult. Call Christianity whatever you want, but, God rules in Christianity. God bought our bodies with the price of His blood and we have unyielding devotion unto our God. Unreticent, unequivocal, we give ourselves to our God. We say, „Take us, have us because You’re right, if You say You bought us and if You say that we must be mastered by someone, either sin or You, I choose You”.

Bizarre conclusion of those roosting above

  • The uncrucified conclusions of fleshly reasoning.
  • Brickianity. Rob Bell brings out this notion of brickianity. He says’ „Those who create a hard line fact out of truth, out of the Word of God”, he calls brickianity. It’s hard, always a wall and resistance. He says, „But we want to reason,we want to bring out new thought, no brick wall in front of us”. And he mocks it and offers something different.
  • Bell: Truth stretches, it’s springy. That truth is far more, instead of being all hard and unmoving, truth is springy, like the springs of a trampoline. This is what he says in his book „Velvet Elvis”. Whoever jumps on it (trampoline) depending on their weight, defines how deep the springs stretch. So springs stretch, or truth stretches to fit you, your unique needs, your unique demands. How Bell proposes this, is he goes back and uses a lot of rabbinical types of things, always talking about Hebrew and Jewish culture and as a result it sounds very believable because he sounds like he knows more about it than „I” do. So there’s a statement where Jesus says to the disciples that He has given them the keys to the kingdom and what they loose will be loosed in heaven and what they bind on earth will be bound in heaven and so of course since none of us have a clue as to what that means, he (Bell) injects his opinion. His opinion is, „Did God really say?” That’s one big key he is sticking in the lock right here.
  • The Keys to the Kingdom– Bell proposes: God has given us the keys of the Kingdom, us as a church. And, in every generation we are responsible to take that key and to stick it in the text of Scripture and to turn it so we can make Scripture malleable to our current generation. We can change Scripture to mean what it needs to mean, today, so that Christianity will be effective. Is that our end goal? Our end goal is the glory of Jesus Christ, implicit trust in Jesus Christ. He has His children. Is the Word of God changeable? Does the Word of God alter?
  • Evolution of truth– They believe, Brian MacLaren presses this one heavily, that truth is constantly changing, so therefore we need to realize that God is always adapting His truth to meet the current culture in which we are. Of course, you believe in evolution. That’s a basic understanding now. Right? Because it’s been taught in the school system your entire life. So, because we now believe evolutionism as fact, we can also understand that God evolves and HIs Word evolves. I mean some of these things were written thousands of years ago. You’re actually going to believe (chuckle, chuckle) that it’s accurate and reasonable and effective for today? Without us being able to consider the fact that culture has changed? See, God is love and that hasn’t changed, but how He expresses His love is now new today.
  • God A and God B. I choose God B. Brian MacLaren actually has a line in his book „Generous Orthodoxy” where he describes 2 Gods: God A and God B. For God A he describes all these characteristics that are very distasteful: God is judgmental, God is a God of wrath, God is a disciplinarian; and then he describes God B: Kind, loving, patient, gentle. Ahh, I love God B. He says, „I choose God B”. Mr MacLaren, you don’t have a choice who God is. You have no business attempting to define God, God already defined HImself. Whether you like it or not, He is who He is; whether you believe He is or not. Our opinions on the issues of God mean diddly squat in heaven. We either adapt to who God is or we find ourselves in a very miserable place some day in the future. God is right, let every man be a liar, who would attempt to defy the realities of our God.
  • I personally couldn’t serve a God who would do that. Brian MacLaren spends a lot of time talking about the Old Testament and says if God hasn’t changed then we have a serious problem because how are we to explain all these terrible things that God did in the Old Testament? He wiped out entire people groups. If we can’t say our God has changed, how can we be Christians? How can we represent this? Somewhere down the line, God  is who He is, whether we like it or not and we submit to Him, even if He was a bad God. Why? Because He is God and He gets what He is after.  There is also a layering fact. He is revealed in the Word of God as being perfect, upright, good, perfect in His judgement, perfect in His mercies. So, whatever God is being defined here in the Old Testament,  (by the way He is the same God yesterday, today and forever) isn’t altered. So, if you don’t like Him in the Old testament, you’re not gonna like Him now, or in the future. Same God. You don’t change Him. He changes you.
  • The open mind is a more Honest and Humble mind –  these men are very humble in their approach. They will say, „I don’t know that I’m right, but here’s what I think on the matter. And it’s very studious, glasses on the nose and it’s very gentle and caring. Let’s enter into conversation here. I don’t know if I’m right, it’s just my thoughts. Yeah, their thoughts are one big „Did God really say?” „And, did God really say that also?”  We have a serpent in sheep’s clothing and it’s very dangerous.

What we believe

  • The Open Record– 1 John 5:10 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. God gave us a record: „This is fact. I cannot lie. I am giving you a record”. Do you believe it? If you don’t, you’re calling God a liar. 1 John 1:10 –If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us
  • The return of the Canon Mind– We have a choice, but it’s not a matter of who we will bow down to, but when. You may not like the fact that „every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”, but, it’s gonna happen. You see, God is gonna get what He came to that cross to purchase and we can stand in defiance of that and cheat God and come above Him and say, „I don’t like Your method”. Who are we to challenge God’s method? Who are we? Even the cherubim, who can rule entire worlds single handedly, and move like lightning and when they speak, their voice sounds like mighty. rushing waters. They have a brilliance that is at least a million times yours, and even they submit to God and do only that which God is doing. Who are we, that we would critique the Son of God, that we would critique His Word? Philippians 2:9-11 –  Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Where is the flaw? Is it in God or is it in us? Is God flawed? Where does the problem lie? You don’t like God’s method, you don’t like how things have turned out. Hey, there’s sickness and dying and disease in the world, God’s responsible: I couldn’t serve a God like that. Where’s the flaw? Is it in God or is it in us? Job 33:12-13- Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man13 Why dost thou strive against him? for he giveth not account of any of his matters. Remember Job has gone through some rather difficult times, come Job 33. His life has been completely brought low. His wife had said, „Curse God and die”, instead he fell down and worshipped. However, Job still struggled because he continued to defend his righteousness. He said, „Look, look, I’ve lived right. This is not appropriate behavior for God to wield against me, and Eliphaz rises up and answers, „that God is greater than man, why do thou strive against Him?”. Listen to this argument: Job 34:10,12- 37:23-24 – Therefore hearken unto me ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity. 12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment. Ch. 37  23 Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out: he is excellent in power, and in judgment, and in plenty of justice: he will not afflict. 24 Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart.
  • Is it our position to question God, to question His ways? Do you remember God coming down and speaking to Job? Job 38:1-8; 16-18; 22-23; 31; 34-37; 41 Job 40:2; 8-14 – Here’s the streamline from these texts: „Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said, „Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou  me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding, who has laid the measures thereof, if thou knows? Or who hath stretched the line upon it?… Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the cornerstone thereof ; when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut up the seas with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? … Hast thou entered unto the springs of the sea? Or hast thou walked in the search of the depth? Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? Or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?… Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? Declare if thou knows it all… Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? Or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war? … Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleaides, or loose the bands of Orion?… Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?… Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, here we are? Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? Or who hath given understanding to the heart? Who can number the clouds in wisdom? Or who can stay the bottles of heaven? Who provides for the raven his food? When his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat… shall he that contends with the Almighty instruct him? He that reproves God, let him answer it… wilt thou also disannul my judgment? Wilt thou condemn Me, that thou may be righteous? Hast thou an arm like God? Or canst thou thunder with a voice like Him? Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty. Cast about the rage of thy wrath; and behold everyone that is proud, and abase him… Look on everyone that is proud, and bring him low, and tread down the wicked in their place. Hide them in the dust together, and bind their faces in secret. Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.
  • „I’m right God, You’re the one who is wrong. You defend your righteousness and condemn God? How dare you.The fact that this is even allowed in the Christian world, not on the liberal side; it’s always been there Conservative, Bible believing churches have now began to imbibe in this poison. „Demonstrate your beauty and glory- array yourself like God!” Then He will acknowledge that you can save yourself with your own righteousness. Do it, try it. We can’t. He are humbled before the realities that He is God and we are not.
  • Is truth evolving? Does God adapt to the culture, to the political correctness of our times? Malachi 3:6 – For I am the Lord, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Do you know what God is actually saying here? It’s not just that he doesn’t change. You want to know why you’re not consumed? „Cause I don’t change. I keep my covenant. You want to know why you’re still alive right now? Because I change not!”  Hebrews 13:8- Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and forever. By the way Jesus Christ IS the Word of God. Do you know who created the heavens and the earth? The Word of God; Jesus has always been around. He didn’t just come into existence 2000 years ago. He is God. James 1:17- Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the father of lights, with whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Matthew 5:18-  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. The Word of God is stable, the Word of God isn’t going anywhere. The Word of God is right; we build our life upon it as the builder upon a foundation, upon a stone.
  • Is this all about our choice, our wishes, our sensibilities? Do we define God’s nature? Do we define the way we want life with God to be? What kind of Christianity do you want? How would you like your God to be? What kind of church would you like to go to? Is it on your terms? That’s a good question because, somehow we’ve begun to believe that it is (on our terms). But, that isn’t Christianity. Christianity is on God’s terms and God’s terms have been revealed in His Word, and we submit to it. We come below it, we say, „You are right; change me to fit You. Alter me, if I’m wrong, tell me so I can please You by being as I ought to be in You. So the question is: Is it about our choice? John 15:16- You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you„. You have hope because your God chose you. It has nothing to do with your choice. It has to do with His choice. He has chosen you and given you an opportunity’ take it. 1 John 4:19- We love Him, because He first loved us. He is the initiator, He is the wise one here. He stirs in us, it’s called prevenient grace. He moves inside our soul and warms us and suddenly our eyes can begin to see and: Behold the realities of the living God! We are living in death. There is nothing inside of you that would ever be attracted to God Almighty controlling your life, nothing! There are some of you that have walked from death to life, where now you see God and you’ve yielded your life to Him and now you’re happy. Where’d that come from? It came from God. Do you critique God? Do you choose God? Is it us declaring what we want or is it God declaring; I want you? 1 John 4:10- Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
  • Is truth springy? Does truth adapt and flex around us, or are we supposed to flex and adapt around God? Is truth adapting to your body weight, to your personal baggage in your life? Do you have a real difficult life and does truth stretch to meet you in an extra special way? God meets us all in the exact point where He needs us to be met: He meets us at the cross. All of us, same way, because our issues are all the same. They have different nuances, different names to it, it’s all the same- we have a problem and that is, we are controlled by the flesh, we are controlled by the principle of sin and we cannot get out. Is truth springy? Rob Bell can call Christianity brickianity, oh a stiff religionist. I don’t like a stiff religionist anymore than Rob Bell does. I want believers living and vibrant. However, we stand upon something very stiff and it is not movable, it does not stretch- depending on who we are. It is called the rock and it does not change to adapt to our sensibilities. We change our sensibilities around it. You want to climb on the rock? You climb on the rock that has always been, for 6000 years, and it’s never changed. God does not change. Deuteronomy 32:4- He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. 2 Samuel 22:2-3; 32, 47; 23:3- And he said, The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence. 32 For who is God, save the Lord? and who is a rock, save our God? 47 The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation. The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. God is a rock, well, that’s good news because when you come inside of a rock, you’re safe because a rock doesn’t pick up and move. It’s stationary, it doesn’t alter and things can’t get through a rock. You’re secure in a rock because it doesn’t change.
  • The rock of Israel spoke to me– John 1:1-4, 14- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was GodThe same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. God spoke. It was made flesh. The Word, the very annunciation, the very expression, the very nature of God, which is what a Word is. Matthew 7:24-25-  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 1 Corinthians 10:4-  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. Jesus is the law of God made flesh. He is the histories of Israel made flesh. He is the Proverbs of God made flesh, all the prophecies, all the sacrifices, the Temple, the Sabbath, the rest made flesh. He is the full annunciation of God made flesh. He’s the rock upon which we stand and upon which we build. The text and the person, inerrant, without flaw and I say: Church of Jesus Christ, fix your feet upon Jesus and forsake that voice that says, „Did He really say?” „Yes, HE DID! And we will not be moved. When the winds and the rains come against us we will not build upon sand. Sand is a rock that has been beaten into small pieces and then the pieces that are wanted are taken. You have a foundation, but it is unstable because it is not Jesus. It is the parts of God that you esteemed, according to your own sensibilities you’ve built for yourself a foundation of your own accord, your own wit and wisdom and it will fail you.
  • What is the proper response of the believer? Job 42:1-3, 5-6- Then Job answered the Lord, and said, I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. It’s not just the hearing of the ear to behold the Living God. When you know God, you know that He is able to keep our feet from falling. You know that this God is able to construct a revelation and then observe the revelation for all time. Is this too hard for God? Because we have a lot of voices that are saying, „How in the world is that supposed to work? Can you read any other piece of literature that has been stable and unaltered for thousands of years? No, you can’t. Can you? It’s because it’s(any other literature) not supernatural. We are talking about the Word of God.
  • He will overcome when He is judged. Romans 3:4- God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judgedWhat if people don’t believe that God is able? What if they don’t believe that He is who He says He is? Will that make the merit and the legacy and the ability of God neutralized? If there was a tribunal setup, and we attempted to condemn God, He will be justified at such a tribunal and we will end up being nullified and we will end ub being found to be the idiot in the scene.

  • Shall we strike with the sword? Luke 22:46-49- And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. 47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him. 48 But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss? 49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?  What I have described to you is the leaders in the church of Jesus Christ today, and I have only given you a little snapshot, have leaned in to kiss the cheek of Jesus Christ. And, it looks so tender, and so many of us feel like we are having a difficult time in how to respond to this, because, well, they seem to really love Jesus. Do you see the multitude? Do you see they’re betraying the Son of Man into the hands of the sinners? But we are dull in our sense. Why? Because we are sleeping. We have not been alert in this time. The church of Jesus Christ has been in a slumber. Awaken us, Lord Jesus! So that we can see, as the Son of Man has been betrayed afresh into the hands of sinners. I have a message that I teach this year on translation, this is where I talk about biblical pedigree. The history of the Word of God , men and women have died to preserve dots and tittles. And in one generation, ours, they are overhauling the entirety of the Bible. The entirety! Men and women, for generations have died to preserve every last word. The entire Jewish nation, for thousands of years, preserved the Word of God saying: We will die rather than you altering one word. And, in our generation- altering the whole thing. We are sleeping. This is our watch and the wolves are in the sheep pen. I know they look like sheep; we need to mark them and we need to understand how this battle works. So we are turning to our God right now and we’re saying, „Lord, shall we strike with the sword? Our battle is not against Rob Bell, Brian MacLaren, Donald Miller and others, our battle isn’t against the,. it’s against who is puppeteering them. They could be genuine. They might not know what they are doing, however, the enemy does know what he is doing because it is his business to do this. „Did God really say that? Can we really be certain about this? It’s always undermining the certainty, the rock like substance of Jesus Christ. When you mess with the text of Scripture, you mess with the Person, Jesus Christ. You cannot mess with a text of Scripture without implying Jesus Christ, who is the Word become flesh. In some diminishing way, you are hurting Jesus. Rob Bell says he believes the virgin birth, however, he goes through this whole process of creating the argument that could be used for someone who doesn’t believe the virgin birth. It is so calculated and so dangerous because he is literally sponsoring doubt in the virgin birth. You know, if you don’t believe the virgin birth, this is no small thing. You know that the canonicity of Jesus is called into question? If Jesus is not proven to be the perfect match with all the prophecies of the Old Testament, in perfect harmony, he could be stoned as a false prophet? You remove the virgin birth, you remove the integrity of the Messiahship of Jesus Christ. We don’t mess with these things. Someone may not know what they are doing to the Word of God today. That doesn’t mean we stand by and say, „Well, at least they are sincere”. We still must get to them and say, „That’s dangerous. That’s that voice. Don’t heed that voice.” The appeal of the open mind is strong. This book that’s about to come out „Love Wins”, It’s universalism. It’s a direct question to the integrity of the Scripture  on the point of hell and judgement. Do you think I’m a huge fan of people going to hell? I’d love to change these things according to my sensibilities. God speaks and He doesn’t stutter. It’s our job to believe Him. It’s that simple. We may not fully understand it, but we believe it. Why would you believe that? Because God said it. God cannot lie, it’s His Word. We have Canon MindsMinds that are groomed by the Words of God and not by social sensibilities. You may be a bit offended by God, you better come to God and make that right because God cannot do wickedness, He is upright in all matter, He does not afflict, He is perfect in His judgment. Our God will be justified in the end. You may not understand how all this drama works, but don’t listen to the enemies take on it. The enemy is always questioning the person of God and His motives. What was he saying to Eve? „Look at God, He’s trying to rule you with an iron hand. You don’t need to submit to that. Eat of this fruit. He doesn’t want you to know that you will be as He is.” That’s the bait of the serpent. Don’t follow it. It’s self exaltation that he’s after because he knows when you yourself are imprisoned in the power of sin, but he knows when self is debased, Jesus Christ can gain access to what He purchased on that cross. This is about dying to self, not exalting self, not preserving self, not about self esteem, but self denial so that jesus Christ can gain what is rightfully His. I’m one of the happiest guys you’ll ever know because I agree with the Word of God. It doesn’t make me miserable, it makes me happy. I love Jesus! I love serving God, I trust implicitly His character and He is good! And every question that can be laid at Him, any accusation, He will overcome all judgment when laid at His feet, every last one. We are gonna bow our knee. Let’s bend it now. we are gonna confess that He is Lord, let’s confess it now. And let HIm rescue us, let Him change us, let Him purge us, let Him purify us, let Him set our feet upon a rock that is strong, fill us with love, joy , peace, faithfulness, gentleness and control to live this life as we ought to.

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from http://www.ellerslie.com – May we be unashamed of the Gospel – Romans 1:16

Will the God who would crush and kill His own Son, let you slide ?

Voddie Baucham of GraceFamilyBaptist.net:

Psalm 51 – 5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. 6 Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.

In other words, here’s what God desires, what God delights in, and yet- „…against You I have sinned”. Notice he didn’t say, „.. against Bathsheba I have sinned, against Uriah, I have sinned”.  No, „Against You God, and ultimately, against you only, I have sinned”. Because, who was Uriah, except the man that you created? Who was Bathsheba, but the servant of the most High God. „I sinned against You”. A holy and a righteous God.

And, that’s what worries me about „The Shack” (novel), that’s what worries me about the Rob Bell’s of the world; that’s what worries me about those who don’t want to „preach on sin, because people already know that they’re bad”.

„No, we don’t”. No, we don’t; we watch the nightly news and we think, „those people are bad, not us”. We don’t recognize that we have sinned against a holy and righteous God.

I serve the great God of the universe!, who gets angry and pours out His wrath
I serve the great God of the universe!, who demonstrated His wrath when He poured it out on  His own Son.
And, it amazes me that we believe this, that God would crush and kill His own Son, but let you slide.

Not for a minute. The spotless, sinless Lamb of God suffered and bled and died, because of the wrath of God. That propitiation in satisfaction of the righteous wrath of God, that’s what was experienced on the cross.

HOW DARE WE TAKE THAT LIGHTLY? That’s the One against whom you’ve sinned.

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Todd Friel on Street Preachers

I admire Street preachers. Todd Friel in response to Rob Bell’s – ” Bullhorn Guy ” Nooma Response Uploaded by  

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Rob Bell vs. Adrian Warnock Video Debate – Heaven & Hell with Justin Brierly

from http://www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable

Rob Bell defends his book ‘Love wins’. Hosted by Justin Brierly -the Unbelievable radio program. For more theological debate visit http://www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable or get the MP3 podcast http://ondemand.premier.org.uk/unbelievable/AudioFeed.aspx or Via Itunes.

For Rob Bell see http://www.robbell.com/

For Adrian Warnock see http://adrianwarnock.com/

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John Piper and David Platt at the 2011 SBC Annual Meeting

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If you don’t have time to watch the entire discussion- please watch the 2 shorter videos which contain some profound expositions of 2 very important topics from John Piper and David Platt: Missions and Materialism.

The first 2 videos are excerpts from the 1 hour B21 panel discussion. The third video is the full video of the panel discussion. There will be two more videos to follow tomorrow with a different panel, that touches on more provocative subjects. (That will be a new post that I will put up tomorrow)

Video 1 – John Piper speaks to the problem of people (such as Rob Bell and others) who have slowly drifted away from where they started from. (5:32 min)

Video 2 – David Platt and John Piper speak to the american way of looking at materialism and missions.

The full length (3rd) video is from Southeastern Baptist University.

William Lane Craig on Rob Bell and Hell (July 5, 2011)

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http://reasonablefaith.org – Dr – Dr. William Lane Craig deals with the doctrine of hell in light of Rob Bell’s new book „Love Wins”. Dr. Craig also deals with common misunderstandings of hell.

Related:

Can a Loving God Send People to Hell? (William Lane Craig vs Ray Bradley):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-EP6LVhYOc

Is One True Religion Possible?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynLFH7hVbm4

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Daniel L. Akin – Marks of a Great Commission People – Romans 15:14-24

Preaching from Romans 15, Dr. Akin delineates the marks of Great Commission people. He exhorts believers to focus on the nations, be saturated by the gospel, and help those whom God sends. Sermon at Southeastern Baptists Theological Seminary, one year and a half ago. Interesting commentary on Rob Bell getting the Gospel wrong at the 20th minute, considering that this is from 1 1/2  years ago.

Dr.Daniel Akin, President Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary on Rob Bell

Good lecture by the President of Southeastern Seminary committed to Biblical Inerrancy on various subjects and on Rob Bell. He also talks about Universal vs. limited atonement. and election and free will.Rapture – pre trib vs post trib.

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Ben Witherington on the Apostle Paul and Universalism

A Quote of Note—- Paul on Universalism

see full article here. (www.patheos.com/community/bibleandculture)

Dr. Witherington on Paul’s Phil. 2.5-11 verse:

One of the texts most frequently used to prove Paul believed that in the end all human beings would be saved is of course the material in the Christ hymn in Phil. 2.5-11, particularly the line “every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord….”   The problem with this conclusion is two fold.     1)  The partial quotation of Isaiah 45 provides a clue as to Paul’s thinking at this juncture since Isa. 45.24 refers not to universal salvation but rather says that “all who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame.”  2)  Phil.
1.28 has already referred to the destruction of those who oppose Christ.

Hell Yes, Hell No: A Response to Rob Bell & Love Wins, Bobby Conway

A theological review:

Life Fellowship Church Presents a seminar entitled „Hell Yes, Hell No? A Conversation about Love Wins, Rob Bell, and why you should give a rip”

Hear a scriptural response to Rob Bell from Bobby Conway as well as a panel discussion with questions from the audience. Bobby received his theological training from Central Baptist College in Conway, Arkansas, and received his Masters of Theology (ThM) from DallasTheological Seminary and his Doctorate of Ministry in Apologetics from Southern Evangelical Seminary in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Martin Bashir -Interviewed about „Love Wins” (Part 1-4, 40 minutes)

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Martin Bashir, who was born into a Muslim family, became a Christianand recently interviewed Rob Bell for MSNBC is interviewed by Edward Bell. Thanks to Sasha for the link.

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In video- Martin Bashir says- book has historical errors…is disingenuous,,, and uses deliberate avoidance of material that doesn’t work in his favor. Some great insights from Martin Bashir.

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„When you adopt universalism and erase the distinction between the church and the world,then you don’t need the church, and you don’t need Christ, and you don’t need the cross „, Al Mohler

from Al Mohler’s website.

“A Massive Shift Coming in What it Means to Be a Christian?” — TIME Magazine Considers Rob Bell

The real question is now whether the church has sufficient biblical conviction to resist this doctrinal seduction. Otherwise, it may well be that Rob Bell’s “massive shift” is the shape of things to come.

Friday, April 15, 2011

The edition of TIME magazine timed for Easter Week features a cover story on the controversy over Rob Bell and his new book, Love Wins. Interestingly, the essay is written by none other than Jon Meacham, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author and former editor of Newsweek TIME’s historic competitor. Meacham, who studied theology as an undergraduate at the University of the South, helpfully places Rob Bell in the larger context of modern theology, even as he offers a basically sympathetic analysis.

Meacham explains:

The standard Christian view of salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is summed up in the Gospel of John, which promises “eternal life” to “whosoever believeth in Him.” Traditionally, the key is the acknowledgment that Jesus is the Son of God, who, in the words of the ancient creed, “for us and for our salvation came down from heaven … and was made man.” In the Evangelical ethos, one either accepts this and goes to heaven or refuses and goes to hell.

Bell, Meacham writes, “begs to differ” with this “standard Christian view.” He then relates that Rob Bell “suggests that the redemptive work of Jesus may be universal — meaning that, as his book’s subtitle puts it, ‘every person who ever lived’ could have a place in heaven, whatever that turns out to be. Such a simple premise, but with Easter at hand, this slim, lively book has ignited a new holy war in Christian circles and beyond.”

Well, “holy war” is an exaggeration loved by the media, but Bell has obviously ignited a raging controversy within evangelical circles.

Meacham then traced something of the reaction to Bell’s argument:

When word of Love Wins reached the Internet, one conservative Evangelical pastor, John Piper, tweeted, “Farewell Rob Bell,” unilaterally attempting to evict Bell from the Evangelical community. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, says Bell’s book is “theologically disastrous. Any of us should be concerned when a matter of theological importance is played with in a subversive way.” In North Carolina, a young pastor was fired by his church for endorsing the book.

All that is a matter of public record now, but what makes Meacham’s analysis really interesting is what comes next:

The traditionalist reaction is understandable, for Bell’s arguments about heaven and hell raise doubts about the core of the Evangelical worldview, changing the common understanding of salvation so much that Christianity becomes more of an ethical habit of mind than a faith based on divine revelation. “When you adopt universalism and erase the distinction between the church and the world,” says Mohler, “then you don’t need the church, and you don’t need Christ, and you don’t need the cross. This is the tragedy of nonjudgmental mainline liberalism, and it’s Rob Bell’s tragedy in this book too.

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Other articles of interest-

Panel Discussion of Rob Bell’s book ‘Love wins’ at Gospel Coalition 2011

God: Abounding in Love, Punishing the Guilty

April 14, 2011 Notes by: Jonathan Parnell (for Desiring God)

A special session convened in light of Rob Bell’s book Love Wins. The panel, moderated by Kevin DeYoung, included D. A. Carson, Tim Keller, Crawford Loritts, and Stephen Um.

Carson framed the discussion giving a brief and clarifying overview on universalism:

1. Be clear about definition of universalism, don’t muddle what it is.

2. Universalism is built out of several different assertions: a) everyone is savingly loved by God and is reconciled to God already; b) because of the wideness of God’s mercy, people of other religions will somehow find their way to heaven; c) initially, the only lost people are those who reject God’s love; d) despite their rejection of his love, these people are still loved by God.

This set of beliefs invariably teaches other things that are often not articulated. It affects your view of atonement, impoverishes the love of God by disconnecting it from his holiness, and it assumes that Scripture always speaks the same way about God’s love.

3. Despite different claims to the contrary, universalism is a later development. It has never been accepted in confessional Christianity.

4. A few notes on biblical texts thought to defend and justify universalism:

2 Corinthians 5:19—“world” is not everyone without exception, but everyone without distinction.

Romans 5:18—“all” does not refer to the same locus of people. The broader context deals with two humanity, one in Adam and one in Christ. There is a contrast to these two different humanities.

John 12:32—“draw all people to himself,” in the context we see that Gentiles try to approach Jesus understands this as precipitated the cross. They do not come on the basis of past covenants, but on a new covenant rooted in the cross.

Revelation 21:25—”its gates will never be shut.” The symbolism of the gates open is not about whether people can get in day or night. Gates were shut for defense, but in the new heavens and new earth there is no more threat for violence.

Carson pastorally asserted that universalism’s handling of the atonement itself is deeply manipulative—even blasphemous. We must not talk flippantly about the cross of Christ, explaining that penal substitutionary atonement is not built on a proof text but is woven through the entire biblical narrative.

Panel Discussion (led by Kevin DeYoung)

To Keller — Is our response to this subject worth it?

Yes. It’s sort of like the bird in the ecosystem who if goes extinct throws off everything. Anything other than endless punishment lessens sin and the God who has been sinned against. If you take away the infinity of punishment, everything diminishes.

To Keller — There is one thread that says Bell is saying the same thing as C. S. Lewis. How do you respond?

Lewis was rebelling against the spirit of the age, which said that Hell is bad. His whole project was to tweak his contemporary scene and show that Hell and judgment make sense. It appears that Bell does just the opposite and acutally sympathizes with the spirit of the age.

To Carson — In John 10:16, does the phrase “many sheep are not of this fold” refer to other religions?

Although there are more recent readings that try to take it this way, the context is clear that “fold” refers to the Jewish people. “Not of the this fold” refers to Gentiles who are outside of the old covenant. It is about becoming one new people, Jew and Gentiles, as the church.

To Carson — What do you think this reemergence of universalism may or may not signify about underlying shifts in Christianity in North America?

This is not new. The early twentieth century and the rise of liberalism started the project of trying to defend Christianity by jettisoning everything the age considers unreasonable.

Evangelicalism is so broad and diverse, and also thinner. The newer generation is making choices: many who want to be more acceptable to this age and others who are embracing the gospel, wanting it to be heard as it is. There is a big division taking place and Bell’s book is a marker to this.

To Um — Respond to Bell’s statement that the position saying only a certain number will be saved is „misguided, toxic, and ultimately subverts Jesus’ message of love.”

There are several assumptions that need to be addressed. One assumption is that God is obliged to show favor to a sinful humanity. We should remember that Jesus spoke more about Hell than anything else. Rejecting Hell has serious implications for what we think about Jesus, undermining his entire ministry. I understand the heart: no one delights in seeing people in eternal conscious torment.

To Loritts — What would you say to someone who has cut their teeth on Bell? They are not committed to this view, but are sympathetic to it.

We all need to be careful when we talk about these things not to overcorrect. We are to love unbelievers and we are to preach the love of God. I would encourage this person, not only to pursue right exegesis on this issue, but to the study of the nature of God altogether. Look at the wholeness of who God is. Secondly, look at how we really view Scripture. Thirdly, we need to understand that God does not need a PR agent or marketing firm. The whole idea of wanting to have a Jesus who the world can embrace is wrong.

DeYoung — „God does not need a publicist, he calls preachers.”

Teachers will be judged more strictly(James 3:1). Questions are one thing, let’s talk about them all. Allow people to ask them, ask them yourself. But we must (not) stay in the realm of mystery. If you are a teacher, at some point you need to let clarity be king.

To Keller — In light of your commitment to the gospel, how did Bell’s book make you feel?

The first thing that disappointed me was not the content so much as the attitude. There is an immediate ridicule of apparent “close-minded” people. A conversation about conflict cannot begin with ridicule.

We should not pit the doctrines of God against one another. At the cross, the love and holiness of God both win.

To Carson — What advice can you give about receiving criticism? Does disagreeing immediately make you the bad guy? Where does the younger generation need tweaking here?

First, I worry about ministries that focus just on correcting everyone. What I hope to do in all my writing is to promote the truth and proclaim it positively. When we correct, we do it because we think that the glory of God is being diminished.

Part of a positive faithfulness to proclaiming the truth involves refutation. Our articulation of right doctrine also involves saying what it is not. And all our correction should be done thoughtfully and humbly.

Concluding words:

Um asserted that universalism is unhelpful for sinners in need of atonement. Universalism subverts the work of Jesus on the cross. This whole situation is a wonderful opportunity for correction, for us to understand the finished work of Christ.

Loritts encouraged those considering universalism to write down all the issues their struggling with and go to the word of God. We should ask the Spirit to illumine our minds. We have listened to too many other voice. Go to the source.

Keller agreed with with Loritts and DeYoung and closed in prayer.

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Below – video from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, a review of ‘Love Wins’ (from early March, 2011)

This is an excellent, informative, theologically rich, video discussion, on the various theological issues arising from Rob Bell’s new book ‘Love wins’. The panel includes: Albert Mohler (President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary), Justin Taylor (former Crossway Managing Editor for the ESV Bible), Denny Burk (Dean of Boyce College (SBTS)  and Russell Moore (Dean of School of Theology SBTS):

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Love Wins: A ‘Theological’ Conversation on Rob Bell’s New Book at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary

This is an excellent, informative, theologically rich, video discussion, on the various theological issues arising from Rob Bell’s new book ‘Love wins’. The panel includes: Albert Mohler (President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary), Justin Taylor (former Crossway Managing Editor for the ESV Bible), Denny Burk (Dean of Boyce College (SBTS)  and Russell Moore (Dean of School of Theology SBTS):

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Pastor Mark Driscoll- „I’m going to bury a lot of people. So for me, this (hell) is not just heartless academic speculation,”

You can read more from Driscoll (Piper,Chandler,Mahaney,Keller & others at Driscoll’s website http://theresurgence.com/authors.Below, an article featured on the Christianpost.

Driscoll:

Without Jesus, You Go to Hell

In admittedly his most difficult sermon in 15 years of ministry, Seattle pastor Mark Driscoll made it abundantly clear that hell is real and is the destination for those who don’t trust in Jesus.

„Let me say it clearly, … plainly, … loudly: You are in danger. Without Jesus, you go to hell,” the Reformed pastor told thousands at Mars Hill Church this past weekend.

Driscoll was preaching from the sixteenth chapter of the Gospel of Luke – a New Testament book that he has been going over for the past year and a half with his church. But what made the sermon even more timely and that much more urgent was the recent debate on hell in light ofthe release of Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived, by Grandville, Mich., pastor Rob Bell.

If I don’t tell you the truth… your blood is on my hands.

Bell, who has been accused of heresy and preaching universalism, has made media rounds during his book tour this month. In a visit to MSNBC, the popular author was pushed four times by host Martin Bashir on the question of eternal destiny after receiving unsatisfying answers – or rather, unclear ones.

„Is it irrelevant about how one responds to Christ in this life in terms of determining one’s eternal destiny?” asked Bashir, who also accused the author of amending the Gospel so that it’s palatable. Article continues below the video. Click on the ‘more’ link.

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It is terribly relevant and terribly important. Now, how exactly that works out and how exactly that works out in the future, we are now when you die firmly in the realm of speculation,” Bell replied.

„You have to be very careful that we don’t build whole doctrines and dogma about what is speculation.”

Without naming names, Driscoll, author of Doctrine: What Christians Should Believe, expressed profound concern over false teachings and messages that proclaim anything other than salvation through Jesus Christ.

„It greatly disturbs me when well-known pastors and preachers and authors get invited onto television … when the world is listening to them, the interviewer inquires of them ‘if you don’t believe in Jesus are you going to hell?’ and they squirm or they change the subject or they appeal to the emotions or they tell a story, they do anything but say ‘yes, if you don’t know Jesus you go to hell,'” the 40-year-old pastor said.

„Friends, this is the most serious of matters,” he told the congregation. „I’m not the judge but there are pastors that are going to hell. So be careful who you trust.”

For Driscoll, there is no ambiguity in Jesus’ teachings about heaven and hell.

Stressing throughout his sermon that his job is to tell the truth, Driscoll pointed to Jesus’ teachings on the hard-to-stomach issue of hell.

Jesus, he said, speaks of hell more than anyone in the entire Bible. Roughly 13 percent of his teachings and half of his parables are in reference to hell, judgment, or punishment, Driscoll noted.

„Some say Jesus is so loving, certainly Jesus doesn’t believe in hell. I would say the most loving person who has ever lived not only believes in hell but clearly, emphatically, repeatedly teaches on it, which must mean that our sin is more damnable than we can fathom if it requires the most loving person to speak in the most stark of terms,” he pointed out.

„The existence of hell, the instruction by Jesus of hell should reveal to us how sinful sin truly is and how rebellious we really are.”

From the get-go, Driscoll, who was raised a Catholic before converting at age 19, rejected as false several popular positions people hold about death and the afterlife, including naturalism (no soul), universalism (all or almost all go to heaven), belief in reincarnation (multiple, successive lives), annihilationism (suffer in hell a while but eventually cease to exist), and belief in purgatory (temporary punishment and ultimately going to heaven).

Making clear what Jesus made clear, the Seattle pastor known for his no-holds-barred attitude said everyone who doesn’t know Jesus will go to hell.


„Have you received Jesus? Have you trusted in Jesus? If not, you are in the path of the wrath of God. You are headed to the conscious eternal torments of hell,” he asserted.

Quoting Jesus, Driscoll underscored, „‘No one comes to the Father but by me.’ No one. No one. Buddhism, no. Hinduism, no. New Ageism, no. Mormonism, no. Jehovah’s Witnessism, no. Nice people, no. Good people, no. Generous people, no. Religious people, no.”

„There is no salvation apart from him (Jesus)!” he exclaimed.

Regarding a second chance after death, Driscoll stated plainly that there is no second chance.

„Your eternal destiny is sealed upon your death. This life is your only opportunity,” he preached.

„I’m going to bury a lot of people. So for me, this is not just heartless academic speculation,” he stressed. „It’s heartfelt pastoral affection.”

„I’m really worried about some of you,” he said as he became teary-eyed. “I love you. I can’t have your blood on my hands.”

While some try to elevate one attribute of God over another (such as love), Driscoll noted that while God is love the Bible speaks more of His holiness than anything else.

„God is love, and whatever God does is loving. God is also just. God is also holy,” he said. „Our God is also simultaneously, perfectly a God of wrath. Not just our God but the only God.

„God is holy. If we do not repent, we are in the path of His wrath.”

It is in love, however, that God sent Jesus „as our substitute, to go to the cross and give us eternal life,” Driscoll added.

Responding to questions about why God would create people if their future is hell, Driscoll stated, „People go to hell because they reject Jesus. We are in no way innocent.”

„This is not the world as God made it. This is the world as we have corrupted it,” he explained.

He continued, „What is astonishing is God would become a man to live in the world as we have destroyed it.”

The wrath of God was poured out on Jesus, he added, so that it may be diverted from us.

„That is the gift of salvation. That is the love of God.”

In one illustration, Driscoll stated, „It makes perfect sense to me that a convicted criminal goes to prison. Similarly, it makes perfect sense that a condemned sinner goes to hell.”

Hell, he noted, was made for the devil and his angels who rebelled against God. And just as prison was made to protect the rest of the public, hell was made to „protect us.”

„You need not go there. Trust in Jesus.”

Regarding what hell is like, the illustration in Luke reveals a place of torment with flames. It’s like being trapped in a burning building forever, Driscoll said.

Jesus also uses as illustration a place outside Jerusalem called Gehenna. There, children were murdered and sacrificed by fire to false demon gods.

It was a cursed place that became a garbage dump of the city where worms were always feasting and flames were always burning.

Near the end of his sermon, Driscoll pleaded with the congregation not to judge God.

„We have three-pound fallen brains. We have sinful dispositions. We have only been around for a few short years. We are not all knowing,” he pointed out.

„For us to sit on a throne even if it is an academic throne propped up by footnotes, asking the Creator of heaven and earth to pass before us that we might render a verdict regarding His holiness and justice is how all the trouble began in the first place.”

Driscoll urged the congregation and other listeners online to make a decision – eternal life or eternal death.

„You’re still alive so I’m pleading with you. Make your decision while you’re still alive.”

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